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#6121340 - 01/11/18 08:22 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
ToTheWoods Offline
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Registered: 12/29/13
Posts: 585
Loc: St. Croix County, Wisconsin
Rivers tried to send you a PM. Your full. MY questions was that where you are and my cabin aren't that far apart. you are seeing much larger packs than we are seeing a little further south. NOw I would assume that would be because the deer numbers are higher in the surrounding metro areas. In talking with a retired biologist that has his finger lightly on the pulse now a days he was telling me that the largest packs we have in the state are out south of the Ashland area and that those consist of 9-13 dogs with the high numbers occuring prior to push out. Don't want to highjack this thread but would like to get some insight as to what you are seeing. PM me if you want to share anymore info. Thanks

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#6121358 - 01/11/18 08:44 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: JakeDog]
white17 Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"

Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 24840
Loc: McGrath, AK
Originally Posted By: JakeDog
[quote=Osky


Pay no mind to those pre-historic folks skeletons, just get the first hand info from White17.

Osky


First hand stories are best! [/quote]




Perhaps you've heard of Keniwick Man ???
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#6121367 - 01/11/18 08:52 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: white17]
Osky Online   content
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Registered: 12/09/13
Posts: 5546
Loc: Northern MN





Perhaps you've heard of Keniwick Man ??? [/quote]


Your first trapping partner?

Osky
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#6121383 - 01/11/18 09:03 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Gulo Offline
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Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 423
Loc: Idaho, Lemhi County
Actually, his first grandson....

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#6121386 - 01/11/18 09:08 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Gulo]
Osky Online   content
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Registered: 12/09/13
Posts: 5546
Loc: Northern MN
Originally Posted By: Gulo
Actually, his first grandson....




Of course! Hence the "Ken" part!

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#6121393 - 01/11/18 09:13 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
white17 Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"

Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 24840
Loc: McGrath, AK
There ya go !!


So many comedians out of work these days !!
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#6121423 - 01/11/18 09:46 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: white17]
Osky Online   content
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Registered: 12/09/13
Posts: 5546
Loc: Northern MN
Originally Posted By: white17
There ya go !!


So many comedians out of work these days !!


I truly apologize Mr. White, give me a vacation or whatever, but please don't confuse me with Al Frankin.

Osky
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#6121436 - 01/11/18 09:57 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
white17 Offline

"General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"

Registered: 03/17/07
Posts: 24840
Loc: McGrath, AK
Hey ! This is a family friendly site ! Do use words like that on here!
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#6121449 - 01/11/18 10:18 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Dirt Offline
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Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3587
Loc: Armpit, ak
Why do men always brag about the size of their packs?
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#6121452 - 01/11/18 10:23 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Sharon Offline
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Registered: 03/04/11
Posts: 4406
Loc: Montana ,Rocky mtns.
grin


I see toon art of this .....Keniwick Man beating off 300 wolves with the trunk of a tree he ripped out of the ground .... cool

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#6121453 - 01/11/18 10:26 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Osky Online   content
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Registered: 12/09/13
Posts: 5546
Loc: Northern MN
Sharon I'm thinking White would be a terrific model and I'd be willing to purchase one of your first copies.

Osky
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#6121458 - 01/11/18 10:39 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Sharon Offline
"American Honey"

Registered: 03/04/11
Posts: 4406
Loc: Montana ,Rocky mtns.
He would, indeed ! cool

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#6121474 - 01/11/18 10:50 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Gulo]
Mike in A-town Offline
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Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 6427
Loc: Northeast Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: Gulo
Actually, his first grandson....


So McGrath man preceded Keniwick man... Got it.

Mike
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#6121480 - 01/11/18 10:56 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: drasselt]
Mike in A-town Offline
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Registered: 09/29/13
Posts: 6427
Loc: Northeast Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: drasselt
Originally Posted By: Caribou
When theres a lot of food, packs will converge, when foods scarce, they compete. Wolves will eat each other.

One oldtimer I know says Wolves never die of old age, they are killed by Men or Wolves.

Come to think of it, only Humans die in bed while nearly everything is eaten while quite alive yet.....


A significant portion die in accidents too, rivers, avalanche etc.
I've cleaned a good # of wolf skulls and a fair percentage had holes in the top of their skulls, presumably from moose hoof. The ones I cleaned survived the head bonking, however, since if you look at the anatomy of a wolf skull their brain sits way back and below those big muscles on the top of the head so a hole on the top of the head more or less between the eyes caves in a portion of the sinus. No doubt they got knocked silly, just not fatal.


I've thought for a long time that being killed in a trap or by a trapper, shot by a hunter, or struck and killed by a vehicle, are about the best deaths a wild animal could hope for.

Mike
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#6121663 - 01/11/18 02:12 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
RiversNorth13 Offline
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Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 5568
Loc: Gitche Gumee Wisconsin

ToTheWoods , where I'm at one of the areas is big timber river bottoms , north to south is roadless for 16 to 18 miles ,no homes or cabins, seems that is where the bigger packs are for my area .

I would agree with big packs south of Ashland also , that is big country with some ag mixed in also .
As far as deer , I don't know, seems there's enough anywhere till the wolves have to move on .

My buddy's girlfriend lives on the edge of the Flag river bottoms , she has seen females with 8 pups in a batch ,could be a reason for a bigger pack them too , I wouldn't know for sure .
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#6123185 - 01/12/18 10:24 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
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Registered: 07/03/12
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Loc: PATUXENT RIVER, LOTHIAN MARYLA...
I was at dinner with my liberal leftard in-laws..... Brother-in-law says to me, (his daughter) "Genève loves the wolves"..... I said, "there were 19,000 elk in Yellowstone prior to introduction of wolves to park, now there are less than 5,000 alive!"

Daddy, leftard from hades,(IMHO) said I was wrong.... I'm not!

Made me laugh, in good faith you have to be honest! I told both of them, "Elk are not like deer, Elk come down and pile up so we can make an exact count!". Daddy was not happy, but I spoke the truth!

I deal with my in-laws! Leftard city buddy! beyond what you could ever believe!!! Sister in law said she was going to vote in Montana's election illegally for the dems(not gonna happen) to push the lefts agenda!

Anti trapping and anti hunting and anti anything republican......makes me gag! but I just stay quiet and listen. "the struggle is real" is more real than most realize.... IMHO! Trappers are doomed if they don't become active both within the community and in legislative measures....... and trappers are bad at stepping out, and fighting... IMHO!






Edited by BIRDOGS (01/12/18 10:28 PM)

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#6123494 - 01/13/18 09:48 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: BIRDOGS]
goatman Offline
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Registered: 09/13/11
Posts: 190
Loc: IL
Originally Posted By: BIRDOGS
I was at dinner with my liberal leftard in-laws..... Brother-in-law says to me, (his daughter) "Genève loves the wolves"..... I said, "there were 19,000 elk in Yellowstone prior to introduction of wolves to park, now there are less than 5,000 alive!"

Daddy, leftard from hades,(IMHO) said I was wrong.... I'm not!

Made me laugh, in good faith you have to be honest! I told both of them, "Elk are not like deer, Elk come down and pile up so we can make an exact count!". Daddy was not happy, but I spoke the truth!

I deal with my in-laws! Leftard city buddy! beyond what you could ever believe!!! Sister in law said she was going to vote in Montana's election illegally for the dems(not gonna happen) to push the lefts agenda!

Anti trapping and anti hunting and anti anything republican......makes me gag! but I just stay quiet and listen. "the struggle is real" is more real than most realize.... IMHO! Trappers are doomed if they don't become active both within the community and in legislative measures....... and trappers are bad at stepping out, and fighting... IMHO!

Trust me. When you get older you will not put up with this BS. A lot quieter at family dinners. Or not any family dinners. I'm good either way. I'm the first to admit to wrong statements but will not stand for the BS the media is putting out. And yes in the remaining elk herd the cows average 9 years of age. Trip to Lamar Valley several years ago elk every where. Last trip there 5 years ago. Handful of elk. First trip there at dusk pack of wolves came down from two ridges and met down in the valley. Right through the parking lot. Not going to say how many because people would call me a liar. Unreal.




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#6123506 - 01/13/18 10:03 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: BIRDOGS]
Dirt Offline
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Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3587
Loc: Armpit, ak
Originally Posted By: BIRDOGS
I was at dinner with my liberal leftard in-laws..... Brother-in-law says to me, (his daughter) "Genève loves the wolves"..... I said, "there were 19,000 elk in Yellowstone prior to introduction of wolves to park, now there are less than 5,000 alive!"

Daddy, leftard from hades,(IMHO) said I was wrong.... I'm not!

Made me laugh, in good faith you have to be honest! I told both of them, "Elk are not like deer, Elk come down and pile up so we can make an exact count!". Daddy was not happy, but I spoke the truth!

I deal with my in-laws! Leftard city buddy! beyond what you could ever believe!!! Sister in law said she was going to vote in Montana's election illegally for the dems(not gonna happen) to push the lefts agenda!

Anti trapping and anti hunting and anti anything republican......makes me gag! but I just stay quiet and listen. "the struggle is real" is more real than most realize.... IMHO! Trappers are doomed if they don't become active both within the community and in legislative measures....... and trappers are bad at stepping out, and fighting... IMHO!






I don't have this problem. My local moose population was dropping in half every five years. Now it is doubling every five years. Whining on the internut won't solve your problems. Fighting and removing a lot predators might.
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#6123571 - 01/13/18 11:36 AM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Osky Online   content
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Registered: 12/09/13
Posts: 5546
Loc: Northern MN
I wish they would let us Dirt.
Your wolves turn a wide loop up there, down here especially in northern Minnesota the wolves are compressed into much smaller territories or so it seems. It becomes very obvious with serious time spent out and about where the pack boundaries are, where the cast offs tend to stay for that particular time frame, and how often they make their swings. Timing on the reoccurring travel of course depends on if the wolves are in deer yards or have knocked down a moose or someone's cow.
Oh the powder I could burn.
With so many very good trappers up here, and some very persistent shootists, correcting the liberal caused imbalance would be taken care of quite quickly.

Osky


Edited by Osky (01/13/18 11:40 AM)
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#6123611 - 01/13/18 12:11 PM Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou [Re: Tweed]
Dirt Offline
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Registered: 12/01/10
Posts: 3587
Loc: Armpit, ak
Every day you wait for "they" to do something the bigger hole you will be in. I'm sorry, but the government is always too slow to react. The longer you wait the more predators you will have to remove and the more difficult it will be to solve the problem.
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