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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120526
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volume has changed - liquid water as melted glacial ice will not cause a rise and sunken ocean floor - can not do both - remember we are contracting volume - not expanding when freezing

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120528
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white - you are saying as temp decreases as in ocean depth volume decreases but as we all know with ice the volume has expanded - how can it be both

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120532
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What you are mistaking is that as the temperature decreases, the DENSITY of that cubic foot of water increases....because the molecules are getting smaller....and more tightly packed.... the cubic foot contains more of them...so the weight ( density) increases


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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120536
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ice floats with a temperature less than water, it does not sink

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120538
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That's right because it's DENSITY is less than the water


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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120539
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molecules of water do not change size - only the space between them

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120542
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so back to the article with liquid water being MORE dense than ice and if its weight is increasing downward pressure on the oceans floor - how does the sea level rise - all with increased evaporation rates as compared to sublimation of the ice?

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120543
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OK. lets go from there. If the space between them gets smaller, there is extra space available in the cubic foot for more water molecules. Consequently, the density of the cubic foot increases


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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120545
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Mass is still mass. Density = mass/volume. Also fresh water runnoff from glaciers has a lower density than sea water. So unless we are talking solely about land based glaciers, melting oceanic glaciers is a wash.

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120561
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Good grief 8/100"! I doubt they can measure it that good

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120567
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Of course the other thing is, "and?..."

I doubt the ocean floor sinking under the weight is going to have any effect percievable affect on the planet. It might slow down the tectonic drifts by thousands of a micron a year maybe.

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120570
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That'll be a good thing !


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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120576
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Not if you're hoping parts of Cal turns into Atlantis tomorrow

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6120581
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Originally Posted By: TreedaBlackdog
how can ice which is formed at colder temperatures weigh less than water AND weight of water increase with falling temperatures.....


Water is pretty unique in that respect. It has its greatest density at 4C as it gets colder it expands again unlike other materials that contract the colder they get.

By the way, They did not actually measure the sinking of the ocean floor. They came up with a mathematical formula that "predicts" that sinking. A big difference. You can easily change some variables in a formula to change the outcome.


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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120590
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If you look at a water molecule in liquid form, it looks like a V. When it freezes, it flattens completely, which helps explain why it's less dense in it's frozen form.

Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120591
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Will I have to plant my garden 8/100 of a inch deeper now ? !




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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: RiversNorth13] #6120594
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Originally Posted By: RiversNorth13

Will I have to plant my garden 8/100 of a inch deeper now ? !


Don't be silly !!

All you really need to do is adjust your lawn mower


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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120614
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But you need the new John Deere with the micrometer adjustment for the mower deck


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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: white17] #6120626
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Originally Posted By: white17
Originally Posted By: RiversNorth13

Will I have to plant my garden 8/100 of a inch deeper now ? !


Don't be silly !!

All you really need to do is adjust your lawn mower


wait, so if you went down 5 miles in the ocean, and got a sealed 1 cu foot of water, and brought it to the surface, you're saying it would blow up the box, because there is more than 1 cu' of water at sea level?


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Re: THE OCEAN FLOOR IS SINKING [Re: Ray B] #6120632
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also, with the water being compressed and denser, would that mean the fish down there are swimming in water with a viscosity like Corn Syrup, rather than the nice, easy to swim through water of the flats in key west?


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