No doubt Tactical.20! I have a lot of pressing questions that only He can answer!

And Troy was just a legend or fable... If it doesn't fit the dogma it is immediately relegated as a hoax.

I agree that science should approach new evidence with skepticism... But also with an open mind. It seems that if something is presented that doesn't fit the current narrative then it is immediately labeled a hoax and the evidence isn't even weighed.

Is there European or Hebrew DNA floating around in indigenous peoples? I don't know, let's look.

Are there redheaded giants buried under the Native built mounds? It's probably just a legend... like Troy. But I'm just curious enough that it might be worth taking a look.

Why be so wrapped up in the dogma of the current narrative that you aren't willing to look?

Mike

I think once we get to heaven maybe everything is reveiled to us

There truly are amazing things out there and mysteries to unravel, but apparently the Kensington rune stone was an elaborate prank. The proof of that being that the carver of the stone used umlauts (the little dots over vowels) which did not exist during Viking times.

They just told about the huge city in, Mexico that they found, (on fox news ticker tape), figured at best time there were 100k people there, then city collapsed before Spaniards came

Mike,

I have always been fascinated with the Mound Building societies. The layout of Poverty Point in Louisiana has a lot of similarities with Mayan civilizations structure and layout. The difference seems to me that the North American mound builders just did it out of dirt and sticks rather than stone. No way do I think a hunter/gatherer culture built those mounds. The serpent mound in Ohio just blows my mind.

This is totally speculation on my part, but I think it is striking to compare the similarities of the female figurines found at Poverty Point to the female figurines found at Gobekli Teppe in Turkey. The similarities are pretty remarkable. The lay out of Poverty Point is also very similar to the Gilgal Raphaim found in the Golan Heights.

The underwater caves in Mexico just keep getting better! They are finding all sorts of fascinating stuff. Below is a link to an article from yesterday.

"Among the finds the divers have already uncovered are human remains, including skeletons and seemingly burnt human bones, that are at least 9,000 years old – suggesting human activity in the eastern Mexican region goes back thousands of years earlier than researchers thought, possibly as part of an ancient Maya trade route."

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-world-s...ac-actun-mexico

That show i mentioned was on the travel channel again last night.
They claim that they were pretty much gone when the Spaniards arrived. They are leaning towards a draught bringing them down.

Thanks Hippie, I need to see that show. Drought makes sense, the article I just posted said they think the people did not live in the caves, but ventured in there due to 'great climate stress'to search for water. They did find what they think is an alter and some shrines. Also found cave etchings and an underwater staircase!

Yea, this show takes you down in the new ones they found. They think they went down in and made sacrifices to the gods for water.

Josh Gates is the dude who goes there. I bet you could find it on-line if ya looked. Interesting show.

In a spot I fished many times right on the Mexico- Belize border on Ambergris caye there is a canal through a peninsula called Bacalar Chico. The Mayans dug it through the ground and mangroves to shorten the trip around the peninsula for access to the large bay inside. It would have been an immense project in those days.

The things the Mayans did are amazing. There must be a lot we don't know.

Pete

Wow Pete! I just looked up Bacalar Chico in Google Earth. It took me right to the peninsula you are talking about and you can see the canal they built plain as day. Talk about amazing....I bet the fishing down there is pretty darn good too!

The canal/ditch isn't really maintained but you can still snake a boat through with some effort. The big bay behind the peninsula, Chetumal bay, had a lot of tarpon and big snook with some bonefish too. I have memories of tarpon fishing there in the early 80's that I'll never forget. My first 100 pound tarpon was there in gin clear water over white sand. He ate the fly about twenty feet from the boat. The next morning I jumped twelve fish over 80 pounds and landed three. Big learning curve with tarpon on flies.

Ambergris caye is much more developed now and the fishing probably isn't the same but I bet there are still some great days.

Pete

I came across this last night. Really intriguing stuff about what we've been discussing. A lot of the artifacts they are recovering are from deep in the ocean because they say sea levels were 425 feet lower than they are today! From the article.....“We now have really solid evidence that people came from Europe to the New World around 20,000 years ago,”

https://insider.si.edu/2012/03/ice-age-m...-north-america/

Watching alien show, mentioned Mayans, stone carvings, they said Mayans dissappeared about 900 ad, way before Spanish showed up, right?

The Mayans were still very much there when the Spaniards arrived. The Spanish described Tulum, for instance, with painted walls and buildings. The Mayan culture dipped and rose over time along with droughts and better times, and it was in a down-turn when the Spanish arrived, but it was not gone by a long shot.

That book was published in 2012 and the notion hasn't picked up a lot of steam. It seems the pre-13,000 years ago or so evidence is always sketchy/debatable.

Did any of you read some of the comments at the end of the article? I thought there was a lot of bickering on tman, but those intellectuals on there were about to start throwing fists! lmao. They were of the breed that their opinion was the only one and no one else should say a word! I thought it was an interesting article, and kinda explains some of the quirky finds that have been found on this continent.

I noticed it too Mr. Steinmeyer and thought it entertaining as well! That's one of the beauties of science, good science is always fact checked by other scientists.

The problem is scientists are people too and some have their own agendas and presuppositions as well. When faced with other good science that disrupts the current mindset, it is human nature to argue the point. However, their is one and only one TRUTH. Depending on one's worldview, the debate will never end.

How is this possible? Where did all that water go?