From what I have read, a lot of the water is locked up in icesheets on land (not water) in our modern times. The interesting thing is that there are extensive mass graves of mammoths and other megafauna locked in the ice in Siberia that is beginning to thaw. They were frozen very quickly too; as we can analyze the plant material in their teeth. The plant material those animals were eating suggests a very different climate and habitat back then.

Well said.

It's hard sometimes. But before I arbitrarily decide that something is incorrect, I try to keep a few phrases in mind...

"There is insufficient data to support that conclusion."

"The current data is inconclusive"

Science should be skeptical yet willing to entertain new ideas. New discoveries are made all the time.

Troy was "just a legend" for a long time.

Mike

Tactical.20, from what I can gather, I think the timing of when the Mayans disappeared is going to depend on which researcher/scientist you talk to.

I for one think the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the "folks" that built what we call the Mayan civilization were long gone when the Spaniards got here. Chancey

Earths area is 71% water, If you lower that by 450 ft., you would have to stack it up 1350ft. high on the rest of the earth, or am I missing something.

I'm old, but wasn't around during the glacial period. From the rocks those glacers left in my country here, I'd say it was stacked up darn high. And if it ran clear accross the atlantic and was in europe and asia too, I think that would displace enough water to drop the sea levels considerably! Talk about climate change.....that was climate change. Must have been some big volcanos pop when that happened!

Chancey, I agree

My biggest issue is with all of the talk about Clovis points. Did the Clovis people hold the patent for the Clovis Point? Were they able to defend that patent? It is just a piece of rock knapped into a very useful shape. The design could have been created independently by more than one clan of people separated by thousands of miles.

Diggerman, I think the climate, sea levels, and possibly even atmospheric pressure has changed tremendously overtime. I think this change may have happened very suddenly and that there were humans around that survived through it. Research is finding all kinds of ancient forests and civilizations off the coast of the southeastern U.S. There are underwater cities and underwater megaliths compassing the globe. As much as we like to brag, there is a lot about the ocean and climate that we just don't know.

The link below is generic, but pretty interesting..... click on the image and look at it larger.

https://www.sciencealert.com/how-much-of-the-ocean-we-do-not-ever-see-infographic-xkcd

Thanks, But I still can not rap my head around things like the polar ice caps melting and causing sea level to raise 10 feet. There is now way there is enough iced over area to create even a small raise in sea level. I understand that the air can hold vast amounts of water and that is a wild card.

A lot of the terrain around St. Helen's changed by meters in a matter of hours.

Mike

52Carl,
I don't think the issue the researchers are having is the design of these Clovis points, but rather the timing of when they were created. Some of these points and other artifacts are being found hundreds of feet deep in the ocean off the coasts of the southeastern and eastern states. Herein lies the problem....., according to current dogma and teaching, mankind was supposed to be living in caves as hunter/gatherers 10,000 years ago. It was not until the birth of civilization and agriculture in Egypt thousands of years later that mankind started developing towns, farming, etc.

Yepper, lots of wild cards.

Some researchers think that atmospheric pressure has changed drastically. According to their physics/math, pterodactyls would not have been able to fly and brontosaurus' would never have been able to pump blood from their heart to their brain in our current atmosoheric pressure. For them to survive, climatic conditions would have had to been totally different.

Yes! I think a global catastrophe could have the same effect. What we see and interpret about the natural world today may only be the remnants and debris of a former world left after a cataclysm.

Found this a while back. Not sure of accuracy or any of that... But it is interesting.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/artic..._source=mbfbads

Mike

Sheesh you guys…the Mayans are still there today. They never disappeared.

Agriculture began ~ 10,000 years ago in Mesopotamia (Iraq).

I'm in agreement with Chancey, and in disagreement with evolution, which calls every written and oral history and belief in the origen of this world before it a lie. Pretty bold for a belief that is about 300 years old, and is still just a theory.

Check out the Aztec death whistle. Terrifying

That is fascinating Mike!
Makes one sure re-consider the terms "fountains of the deep" and "let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters"
Sorry just now responding, working 12s with two hours travel.

Drasselt, some people think that agriculture could have begun the same time around Gobekli Teppe, Turkey. See the link below, its from the BBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JdAJpo6Lxk


Either way, it still does not explain why there are Indian Bullets (AKA arrow heads/spear points) found off the coast of the southeastern/eastern U.S that they say are dated to around 20,000 years ago.
By the way, I don't agree with the documentaries conclusion at all! Chancey