Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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reckon you would bet on the government being truthful! RR no I wouldnt, but when the two Weavers stories are different I certainly dont trust them either. No way any real man would have put his family in the situation that POS did.
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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The account I read stated that Weaver was shot in the back as he was unlocking the shed where his son's body was. The sniper stated he was aiming for his spine but Weaver moved at the last second
And Vicki was shot as they were running back to the house after Randy had been hit in the back... So the sniper attempted a Hail Mary shot to finish the job and hit Vicki who was unseen... So in fairness Vicki Weaver was not the intended target...
However, if any one of us took a wild shot and killed a woman holding a baby we would be crucified. But according to the ROE he was good since shooting those folks on sight, armed or not, was kosher.
Again, whoever OK'ed those ROE should've been prosecuted.
This just reinforces the notion that the U.S. government is willing to burn down the barn to get rid of the mice.
Mike
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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The account I read stated that Weaver was shot in the back as he was unlocking the shed where his son's body was. The sniper stated he was aiming for his spine but Weaver moved at the last second
And Vicki was shot as they were running back to the house after Randy had been hit in the back... So the sniper attempted a Hail Mary shot to finish the job and hit Vicki who was unseen... So in fairness Vicki Weaver was not the intended target...
However, if any one of us took a wild shot and killed a woman holding a baby we would be crucified. But according to the ROE he was good since shooting those folks on sight, armed or not, was kosher.
Again, whoever OK'ed those ROE should've been prosecuted.
This just reinforces the notion that the U.S. government is willing to burn down the barn to get rid of the mice.
Mike Not quite Mike. You are confusing the daughter with the mother. The daughter, Sara, was with Randy when the sniper shot him in the back. She ran towards the house and as she ( Sara) got close the mom...Vicki...opened the door. She was holding Sara's infant sister. Horiuchi at that point, shot Vicki in the head.
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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The account I read stated that Weaver was shot in the back as he was unlocking the shed where his son's body was. The sniper stated he was aiming for his spine but Weaver moved at the last second
And Vicki was shot as they were running back to the house after Randy had been hit in the back... So the sniper attempted a Hail Mary shot to finish the job and hit Vicki who was unseen... So in fairness Vicki Weaver was not the intended target...
However, if any one of us took a wild shot and killed a woman holding a baby we would be crucified. But according to the ROE he was good since shooting those folks on sight, armed or not, was kosher.
Again, whoever OK'ed those ROE should've been prosecuted.
This just reinforces the notion that the U.S. government is willing to burn down the barn to get rid of the mice.
Mike Not quite Mike. You are confusing the daughter with the mother. The daughter, Sara, was with Randy when the sniper shot him in the back. She ran towards the house and as she ( Sara) got close the mom...Vicki...opened the door. She was holding Sara's infant sister. Horiuchi at that point, shot Vicki in the head. No, I meant exactly what you said... I just didn't type it clearly enough to get it across. Lol Mike
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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No doubt the Govt. overreacted but Mr.Weaver could have surrendered or sent his family away. He was hit in the arm Ken, not the back.
On August 22, Lon Horiuchi, an FBI sniper hiding about 200 yards (183 metres) from the cabin at Ruby Ridge, opened fire when he believed Weaver and Harris were preparing to shoot at an FBI helicopter. The first shot hit Randy Weaver in the arm. Horiuchi fired a second shot, meant for Harris, as the men ran back into the cabin. The bullet struck Vicki Weaver in the face while she held her infant daughter behind the front door of the cabin and also injured Harris. Vicki Weaver died soon after, but her body remained in the cabin for 11 days. If you believe Horiuchi's statement I have some ocean front property here in Minnesota to sell. White sand beach and palm trees.
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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No doubt the Govt. overreacted but Mr.Weaver could have surrendered or sent his family away. He was hit in the arm Ken, not the back.
On August 22, Lon Horiuchi, an FBI sniper hiding about 200 yards (183 metres) from the cabin at Ruby Ridge, opened fire when he believed Weaver and Harris were preparing to shoot at an FBI helicopter. The first shot hit Randy Weaver in the arm. Horiuchi fired a second shot, meant for Harris, as the men ran back into the cabin. The bullet struck Vicki Weaver in the face while she held her infant daughter behind the front door of the cabin and also injured Harris. Vicki Weaver died soon after, but her body remained in the cabin for 11 days. If you believe Horiuchi's statement I have some ocean front property here in Minnesota to sell. White sand beach and palm trees. Weavers account in his own book was the same, only thing they differed on was the curtain on the door being open / closed.
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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If you believe Horiuchi's statement I have some ocean front property here in Minnesota to sell. White sand beach and palm trees. Weavers account in his own book was the same, only thing they differed on was the curtain on the door being open / closed. Lon Horiuchi's Own After-Action Report Of The Head-Shooting Of Vicki Weaver Obtained By Defense Team Lawyer Gerry Spence include Horiuchi's Sketches Of The Door, Curtains, and A Human Head Visable In The Door Window. Pretty Damning Evidence Pointing To A Foolhardy, Reckless, Action By A Blood-Thirsty, Jack-Booted Federal Thug Out For Payback & Revenge For HRT Agent Bill Deegan's Death. w
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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Anybody That Wants To Read A Great Re-Telling Of the Ruby Ridge Fiasco as Viewed By The Randy Weaver & Kevin Harris's Defense Team Account Of the Incident Should Read:
"Every Knee Shall Bow" By Jess Walter.
Great Read and Absent The Biased Media & Federal Government Accounts Of This Tragedy.
w
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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Anybody That Wants To Read A Great Re-Telling Of the Ruby Ridge Fiasco as Viewed By The Randy Weaver & Kevin Harris's Defense Team Account Of the Incident Should Read:
"Every Knee Shall Bow" By Jess Walter.
Great Read and Absent The Biased Media & Federal Government Accounts Of This Tragedy.
w I don't mind blaming the Feds when they go to far, and they did in this case, no doubt. What bothers me is that some seem to want to make Randy Weaver out to be a hero that rightfully stood up to the Federal Govt. No he didnt. He is/was nothing but a coward. The real tragedy is that he got members of his own family killed. He broke the law. Regardless of how you feel about the law the fact is he broke it. He could have easily sent his family to safety, then fought with everything he had, or just simply turned himself in. He chose to use his family like a shield.....disgusting human being as far as Im concerned....
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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS
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Think it was Janet Reno who authorized those ROE ? And I agree it was wrong. Reno was the real piece of S,,, Weaver was setup IMO and his family was murdered . They knew exactly what they were doing and who they were shooting
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