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Ruby Ridge PBS #6145838
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I just found the PBS American Experience on Ruby Ridge.

It's just starting...anyone else ever see this episode?


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Read the guys book that he wrote with his daughter....they contradicted themselves multiple times in the book.


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I watched it live. When that tank barrel went into the building it erupted immediately into flames. They have changed the video. I believe phosphorus was used.


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Was thinking Waco, sorry


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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS [Re: yukon254] #6145855
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Originally Posted By: yukon254
Read the guys book that he wrote with his daughter....they contradicted themselves multiple times in the book.


Details please.

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It's interesting watching this. I remember this well as a kid. Most guys my age have no idea this happened.

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Watched a few months ago, was rea)y interesting as it pointed out a number of things I never knew. Well worth watching again!


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I don't know if I can finish this....

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Originally Posted By: Tweed
Originally Posted By: yukon254
Read the guys book that he wrote with his daughter....they contradicted themselves multiple times in the book.


Details please.


Their stories of the last part of the siege were different. I never had any respect for the man from day one, but lost any chance for it right in the beginning of the book when he sent his son and that other boy to check the area where the dog was barking while he went in the opposite direction. He was supposed to be an elite soldier, doesn't take much sense to know the danger would be wherever the dog was.....then later when he made the daughter crawl through her mothers blood to get him water because he was to scared to do it himself really showed what he was made of.......if you want a fight...fine have at it, but keep your family out of it. He could have easily sent them to safety, but the coward chose not too......


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Re: Ruby Ridge PBS [Re: Tweed] #6146063
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I doubt I could ever find it in me to admire or think highly of Randy Weaver.

But any agent of the U.S. gov't who is OK with shooting an unarmed woman with a 10 month old baby in her arms is beyond despicable.

Whoever made the call to OK those ROE should've been twisting at the end of a rope.

Mike


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Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
I doubt I could ever find it in me to admire or think highly of Randy Weaver.

But any agent of the U.S. gov't who is OK with shooting an unarmed woman with a 10 month old baby in her arms is beyond despicable.

Whoever made the call to OK those ROE should've been twisting at the end of a rope.

Mike


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Wasn't it mostly over barrels cut 1/2" under legal length?

In any case, it was just another BATF boondoggle.


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Originally Posted By: traprjohn
Wasn't it mostly over barrels cut 1/2" under legal length?

In any case, it was just another BATF boondoggle.


It was something ridiculously stupid enough to not warrant the body count.

And after it was all said and done the only thing they stuck Weaver with was a failure to appear, or some low-rent charge like that.

Mike


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Was there anything about the LE agents calling out each morning/day during the several day standoff “Vickie, breakfast is ready” something along those lines??? Supposedly knowing full well Vickie had been shot and was dead. I read something about that, was that covered in the video???

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Originally Posted By: Bristleback
Was there anything about the LE agents calling out each morning/day during the several day standoff “Vickie, breakfast is ready” something along those lines??? Supposedly knowing full well Vickie had been shot and was dead. I read something about that, was that covered in the video???


Yes, they did talk about that and how it probably made things worse but that they didn't know Vickie was dead.

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Makes you wonder that in today's climate if we would all blame the victims for their deaths for failure to comply.

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they didn't know she was dead? wonder if they knew what planet they were on?


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atf said weaver sold an illegally cut down shotgun to an undercover agent. it turns out the shotgun was of a legal length and he had not broken any laws. wonder what would happen if a black racist family were treated in such a fashion?


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Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
I doubt I could ever find it in me to admire or think highly of Randy Weaver.

But any agent of the U.S. gov't who is OK with shooting an unarmed woman with a 10 month old baby in her arms is beyond despicable.

Whoever made the call to OK those ROE should've been twisting at the end of a rope.

Mike


That whole part of the story depends on who you believe. The sniper said the curtain over the door was closed and he couldnt see the woman, he said he was shooting at Randy who had just emptied his rifle at a helicopter, ( this is when Randy was hit in the arm) of course Weaver says the curtain was open. We will never know for sure, but I seriously doubt Weavers story. I dont agree with some of the federal governments nonsense especially in these situations, but that guy was pushing for a fight. My mom lived in that neck of the woods during that time and he was known as a trouble maker.

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reckon you would bet on the government being truthful!
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