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Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) #6146551
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Caught 3 fox in Feb so far. One had manage bad, one was rubbed bad, but this one is the most prime out of all 23 i've caught this year. Big cherry male with a nice white tip for my area. Ive caught them rubbed bad in December, and some perfectly still prime in mid February. I think it has to do with the way their den is set up. Some holes are big enough that they don't rub = prime fur. But some can have small holes = rubbed bad. What do you guys think? The first one I caught last year (Dec 9) was rubbed on its shoulders pretty bad. The last one I caught last year (Feb 14) was perfectly prime.

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6146563
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Looks prime allright.I think that one would grade as a grey butt.


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Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6146569
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Around here that fox is rubbed. Long red guard hairs going to grey under fur. Yep rubbed.

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6146590
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I caught one and I don't think it was to bad looking yet

I did release her it is the season

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Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6146802
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Good for you

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6146814
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Looks good to me. I caught a coyote Dec 22 that was rubbed bad but the 6 I've caught since have all been pretty decent so I'd say you're probably right on the den they use

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6146815
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Nice fox fur in good shape, looks like an ia one

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6146823
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What are you guys talking about? Fox don't use a den often after done raising pups. It's not like they are in and out of a den regularly causing rubbing on there fur this time of year. This time of year, a fox will go in any hole they can to escape danger, and pretty darn rarely other than that. They aren't muskrats.

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6147012
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They did here, get out of the wind, sometimes there were two or more in a hole, they would den in usually south facing hill tops, old badger dig, coyotes sometimes use dredge ditch feeder tubes, especially in high winds, had a few see my truck and they went straight for a culvert to hide in
Shoot and pull out with wire

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Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: Dean Chapel] #6147057
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Originally Posted By: Dean Chapel
What are you guys talking about? Fox don't use a den often after done raising pups. It's not like they are in and out of a den regularly causing rubbing on there fur this time of year. This time of year, a fox will go in any hole they can to escape danger, and pretty darn rarely other than that. They aren't muskrats.


Guess the 2 that are living undr my buddy's garage dont know they are not supposed to use a den except for raising pups and avoiding danger. Oh well they cant all smart I guess


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Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6147116
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Dean cut a set of fox tracks and follow them to the end of the trail. Then see how you feel about that comment. I've put well let's just say a lot of miles on the trail,and one thing I'm sure of that in my neck of the woods,they den in the winter. But don't take my word for it just take a walk and see.

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6147270
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It is a grey but, not rubbed. The grey is the guard hair on the rump that you see, it is not grey under fur. Boco knows what he is talking about.

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: don Wolf] #6147299
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I thought they were called rusty butt. Jim

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6147302
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They’re denning in an old chicken pen on my neighbors place.


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Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6147317
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I thought it was past ripe.

A few years ago a lot of fox showed up at our local sale. They looked nothing like local fox. In the parking lot I spied a Maryland license plate.

Guys that have handled fur from different regions know these things.





Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: 908shooter] #6147682
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I have caught nice reds in February but most are not so nice by now. I have also caught reds in February that are ready to have pups, and once observed pups looking out of a den on Valentine's Day. If you see red foxes entering a den it is because there are, or soon will be pups. Grays are born much later, usually in April.

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Originally Posted By: eric space
I have caught nice reds in February but most are not so nice by now. I have also caught reds in February that are ready to have pups, and once observed pups looking out of a den on Valentine's Day. If you see red foxes entering a den it is because there are, or soon will be pups. Grays are born much later, usually in April.


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snap! nice work smile
this one from this morning.


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Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: Dean Chapel] #6149886
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Originally Posted By: Dean Chapel
What are you guys talking about? Fox don't use a den often after done raising pups. It's not like they are in and out of a den regularly causing rubbing on there fur this time of year. This time of year, a fox will go in any hole they can to escape danger, and pretty darn rarely other than that. They aren't muskrats.

Dean...It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt...every fox I have ever seen or been near lives in a hole of some sort, year-round. Might be a groundhog hole, a rock pile, or a wood pile (especially log piles). But they live in a hole nonetheless. It is true they spend more time around the den when they have kits in there, but they live in a hole, nonetheless. Question I have is why our red fox trapping and hunting season goes to mid-February when their pelts are already rubbed from mating season. Seems like a waste of a good resource. If PGC is going to clamp down on grouse season, then heck, why not for red fox..

Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: PAlltheway] #6149904
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Originally Posted By: PAlltheway

Dean...It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt...every fox I have ever seen or been near lives in a hole of some sort, year-round. Might be a groundhog hole, a rock pile, or a wood pile (especially log piles). But they live in a hole nonetheless. It is true they spend more time around the den when they have kits in there, but they live in a hole, nonetheless. Question I have is why our red fox trapping and hunting season goes to mid-February when their pelts are already rubbed from mating season. Seems like a waste of a good resource. If PGC is going to clamp down on grouse season, then heck, why not for red fox..


Maybe for the trappers that want to trap fur no matter what the price is and for the trappers that are trapping to maintain a healthy population.


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Re: Red Fox in NJ are still prime. (pic) [Re: Dean Chapel] #6149914
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Originally Posted By: Dean Chapel
What are you guys talking about? Fox don't use a den often after done raising pups. It's not like they are in and out of a den regularly causing rubbing on there fur this time of year. This time of year, a fox will go in any hole they can to escape danger, and pretty darn rarely other than that. They aren't muskrats.


Around here reds use dens year round.

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Originally Posted By: Jurassic Park
Originally Posted By: PAlltheway

Dean...It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt...every fox I have ever seen or been near lives in a hole of some sort, year-round. Might be a groundhog hole, a rock pile, or a wood pile (especially log piles). But they live in a hole nonetheless. It is true they spend more time around the den when they have kits in there, but they live in a hole, nonetheless. Question I have is why our red fox trapping and hunting season goes to mid-February when their pelts are already rubbed from mating season. Seems like a waste of a good resource. If PGC is going to clamp down on grouse season, then heck, why not for red fox..


Maybe for the trappers that want to trap fur no matter what the price is and for the trappers that are trapping to maintain a healthy population.

Fair point. We have coyotes here out the yin-yang and they eat fox, especially red fox. It seems tough to justify removing lower-quality red fox from the population under our coyote pressure situation. However, if you are trying to remove as many bird nest raiders as possible, and you'll kill all skunks, possums, and coons that end up in your trap, then yeah, I agree, killing as many foxes as possible will advance that goal, too. On balance, I'd rather have a few red fox running around in the spring, giving us pups, than eradicating them. I myself do not sell pelts, and I trap only for the benefit of other wildlife, the prey species like grouse and woodcock. And our trapping shows positive results in that regard. But I'd rather a few red fox remain overall.

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Originally Posted By: FoxExterminator
snap! nice work smile
this one from this morning.





What a waste. UNLESS it was a nuisance animal that one should have been let go in my opinion.

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Don't tell us you are trapping to save nesting birds , but you won't set a coon trap because the pelts are worthless. THAT fox that is rubbed is worthless and there are millions more coon than foxes...................

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Originally Posted By: jbyrd63
Don't tell us you are trapping to save nesting birds , but you won't set a coon trap because the pelts are worthless. THAT fox that is rubbed is worthless and there are millions more coon than foxes...................

You understand he's in the UK, not the US?

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Originally Posted By: jbyrd63
Don't tell us you are trapping to save nesting birds , but you won't set a coon trap because the pelts are worthless. THAT fox that is rubbed is worthless and there are millions more coon than foxes...................

You understand he's in the UK, not the US?


Don't care where whomever is !!!!!! What I said applies to all who are doing it but want to justify catching WORTHLESS fox. But wont set a coon trap because they are worthless.

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Does the UK have raccoons? I am not sure. They do have an awful lot of foxes, however. And not a huge market for pelts. ADC there is totally different than here in the USA. I have spent time in England and Scotland with ADC guys. They are usually also professional hunters ("stalkers" which also means something really different there than here!), and they are relied on by the general human population to manage all critters. It is a totally different situation, market etc.

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Originally Posted By: jbyrd63


Don't care where whomever is !!!!!! What I said applies to all who are doing it but want to justify catching WORTHLESS fox. But wont set a coon trap because they are worthless.

Sorry, your opinion means squat since you don't understand the management in the UK. Fur quality should never be the deciding factor for predator management. The population numbers are what matters, using the fur is secondary.

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Hey jbyrd, you are combining two different users under one item. There's the fox picture posted by the ADC guy in England. I trap for ground nesting birds, here in the USA. Although you posed your question to him, you mentioned coons and ground nesting birds, which is all about me. So to the extent you were addressing me, yes, I trap for coon, as well as possum, and skunk, too. Even now we have traps out - conibears, cage traps, footholds and cable restraints. Our loops are up high and wide to avoid foxes and to target coyotes.

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I never trap fox after mid January, it just isn't worth it, by then it is 60% rubbed to 40 % prime. and by then the females are or are close to be being pregnant. a smart trapper IMO would not be targeting them now on the high chance they will be rubbed and instead leave seed for next year. I have also herd a released pregnant female will abort pups if caught. now if its a nuisance call than thats something different and they need to be removed. I call that one frosted not cherry, congratulations on a nice fox

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