Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Hows that going? Miners wanting to get the gold, but it was going to pollute the rivers. Whos winning the fight?
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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In this day and age you can mine gold without destroying the environment.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Never heard of such mine. There are a bunch in various stages of permitting. We have two mines near my town that are doing very well on both environmental and production.
Sounds like drama.... AKA what people get for reality...
Oh, I found your drama show. Gold Rush? LOL. I know one of the operators who worked on the show. Reality isn’t involved....
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Pebble? Not sure which side currently has the upper hand.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Thank you Drasselt! Pebble mine is the one. Found a good update on it. Thanks for an intelligent response finally.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Is the difference between can and will a matter of profitability? Excellent question!
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Of course mining gold is dependant on the price of gold.If it costs more to mine the gold than it sells for of course the mine will close or idle until the price goes up again.No one who lives on the land will stand for polluting the environment so some people in faraway places can profit.Just aint gonna happen today. In the Porcupine camp,all the old tailings from the early 1900's were re-worked at a good profit in the 80's.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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I have wondered about that... Im sure todays methods are more thorough. And Im guessing there's still dreamers (American) out there today looking for a mother lode.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Trapper dahlgren, they got 3 of the 4 permits needed, they are hoping to get the 4th by April. Then start Constuction late summer and onto fall
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Pebble Mine is a classic example of how the actual costs of the mine to society will not be known for decades, and how those costs will be shouldered by the public, the nearby landowners, the natives, and hunters\trappers\ fisherman, instead of the miners themselves. The miners will privatize all of the benefits (gold, profits), and will socialize\ externalize all of the costs and damage from their activity. This is nuts. If the gold there is worth real money, then make sure they clean it all up as they go and bond it all ahead of time, so they can't just declare bankruptcy and walk away from the destroyed landscape. To trade away these increasingly rare, pristine areas so a small handful of people can get wealthy is nuts. Foolish. If someone wants to go mine gold, get a license from the state of AK, fly in your machines, and have at it. Those little mom and pop outfits can make some gold money, but they are very limited in their environmental impact, and the people making the money are the actual people digging in the muck with their own hands.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Pebble Mine is a classic example of how the actual costs of the mine to society will not be known for decades, and how those costs will be shouldered by the public, the nearby landowners, the natives, and hunters\trappers\ fisherman, instead of the miners themselves. The miners will privatize all of the benefits (gold, profits), and will socialize\ externalize all of the costs and damage from their activity. This is nuts. If the gold there is worth real money, then make sure they clean it all up as they go and bond it all ahead of time, so they can't just declare bankruptcy and walk away from the destroyed landscape. To trade away these increasingly rare, pristine areas so a small handful of people can get wealthy is nuts. Foolish. If someone wants to go mine gold, get a license from the state of AK, fly in your machines, and have at it. Those little mom and pop outfits can make some gold money, but they are very limited in their environmental impact, and the people making the money are the actual people digging in the muck with their own hands. Great theory..., except for reality setting in. How ironic that current statutes and regulations make it virtually impossible for any "mom and pop" gold miner to mine. In our rush to protect the environment from both real and imagined impacts, we have make the regulatory climate so complex that ONLY the big corporations can afford to comply! Pete
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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Interesting this has come up. I was notified last fall, as a landowner in northern Minnesotas Itasca county the mineral rights to the county had been sold to a company based in Colorado. They have the right to mine all property including private property. I am not sure about any federal lands in the county. I was told by the state attorney, seemingly nice gal, that if they want to mine under a residence, I cannot stop them.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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People think they "own" land but stop paying taxes and see how fast you get the bums rush,lol.In many places mineral rights,timber rights and surface rights etc can be "owned" by separate entities.The ownership only lasts as long as you keep paying the "rent".
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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That makes about as much sense as not being able to use the rainwater that falls on your property. Sounds a bit communistic to me. We'll be paying for sunshine and air before govt is done with us.
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