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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6155801
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I did drywall hang, tape and texture for a living for about 13 years. Towards the end, all I did was match existing after damage such as repipes, flood, etc... I can usually tell when a DIY has unleashed his talent against the world. Some folks who do it for a living donít do such a good job at times. Thereís quite a bit to it although it doesnít seem so


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6155804
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Hard to texture an igloo, for you outsiders. LOL


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6155813
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It's called Frost texturing. LOL


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6155853
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Originally Posted By: Eric B
How many of you have done it? Hanging it is piece of cake, but taping and mudding? Bought a small fixer upper, with plaster cracking on several walls. Was thinking of just throwing drywall over top of the plaster. Want to put asmuch work into it as I can to save labor costs. Talked to a drywall guy I know and he said if I want it to look good, don't be cheap and hire it done. That true? I'm sure there's tricks and artistry that come with time, but is it really THAT hard?


Installing dry wall, and taping or mudding is not an easy skill set to master. As a carpenter, over the years, I did a fair amount of sheet rock work when things were extremely slow or on small jobs. I got fairly competent at doing a decent job but I could never ever match the speed of a good professional.
Is it truly hard? In my opinion yes it is. If you are looking to turn this house to make some money there is something to keep in mind. There are professionals in all the trades for a reason. Each trade requires a lot of time to learn and master.




Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6155895
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Originally Posted By: Eric B
Removing trim, yes, ceiling sag, no, outlets in both baseboard and wall. Time is no object, if I can make it look okay. How much would it cost to hire someone to tape and mud? Say, 1 floor, 800 square feet, 10 foot ceilings? How about to do it all?

10 ft ceilings??


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: BigBob] #6155897
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Originally Posted By: BigBob
Originally Posted By: Eric B
Removing trim, yes, ceiling sag, no, outlets in both baseboard and wall. Time is no object, if I can make it look okay. How much would it cost to hire someone to tape and mud? Say, 1 floor, 800 square feet, 10 foot ceilings? How about to do it all?

10 ft ceilings??


Tall ceilings are common in older homes.


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: The Beav] #6155902
02/12/18 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
Yep those spray on textured finishes make the do It yourselfer look good.
Not really. Still have to do a fairly decent job at mudding and sanding the joints. Not to mention waviness in the wall- spraying on a lumpy finish coat on top of problem areas just makes it stand out 10x more!

Re: DIY Drywall [Re: The Beav] #6155908
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
Yep those spray on textured finishes make the do It yourselfer look good.
No they don't.


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6155916
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Do it yourself sheetrock installers tend to leave too big of a gap between the sheets, or don't square things up , measure and cut to the non plumbness of a corner, leaving gaps that need filling with durabond (90 minute or less). Too many of these cause a little bit too much prefill time, and that affects a fella's bid on the project. The fella that's been hanging rock ahead of me will have only a couple screws in the whole house that aren't seated perfectly. That insures I don't have to carry a hand screwdriver around in my pocket while pulling tape seams with my banjo, and having to stop to fix something , further slowing down the operation exponentially , which is what happens when that "7th" tape seam gets itself in trouble from setting there too long because things didn't go smoothly.

I might tack on $500 bucks if I have to take me and my partner a half day to prefill, because we just lost a whole day, Which is a lot more money than that. $500 bucks will hang a lot of sheetrock correctly at 20 cents a square ft.

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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: BigBob] #6155921
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Originally Posted By: BigBob
Originally Posted By: Eric B
Removing trim, yes, ceiling sag, no, outlets in both baseboard and wall. Time is no object, if I can make it look okay. How much would it cost to hire someone to tape and mud? Say, 1 floor, 800 square feet, 10 foot ceilings? How about to do it all?

10 ft ceilings??
Rim joists, joist hangers, joists and a new ceiling to hang rock on, say, at 8 or 9' high. That's what I'de do.

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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6155970
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I definitely didn't realize how hot of a topic drywall is! Starting to wonder what I've gotten myself into. But, no going back now. I guess if nothing else, I'll learn how not to renovate a house and make some money. I appreciate all the tips. I'll be living in it for a few years, while I get started in my career and get some experience, so I can go back where I'm from. So I figured I'd do a lot of tinkering. I'm not used to living in town, so I'll need something to keep me busy while I am in town. I appreciate all of the tips from everyone! I will have to think about this a little before I do anything too drastic. I got it very cheap (for sale by owner) and some similar houses that weren't fully updated were selling for 50-80k more in the same area over the last 2 years. So hopefully I can figure something out to make a little.

Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6155990
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Are you required to get a permit? It will add another level of trouble!


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6156004
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Forgot about permits. And insulation inspection, electric, plumbing, drywall hanging. And depending on the area your in it could be more. Contractor takes care of that,so most home owners don't even how it ever happened.

Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6156014
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Well, I've got good friends and family who are plumbers and electricians who said they'd help for for. And I have done enough with both of them to know some of what I'm doing, so I can do grunt work on both of them. Permits I thought were only required when renovating the outside, so that is unforeseen for sure.

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Not trying to discourage you Eric.
When you renovate the house the value will go up. Most people can't afford to pay cash for that much of a house. You might do some leg work and find out what will be required to have the bank finance the house. If its older the electric and plumbing may need to be upgraded. Sheetrock may be the least important!
Just Saying!


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6156033
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Electric and plumbing will need upgrading, but I was planning on that, and have experience and connections in both and believe I can do them Diy. We'll see how she goes. Worst case scenario, I should break even, and essentially have a place to live for 3-5 years free of charge (besides property taxes)

Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6156041
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I had to finish a small bathroom because a fly-by-night jack leg skipped town on me in a stolen truck. My truck!
This was 15 years ago. I got over the loss of the truck pretty quick since it was a Ford, but I still have to fight the urge to pound on a random person on the street because of the near-PTSD symptoms I have suffered from being forced to do drywall.

Re: DIY Drywall [Re: 52Carl] #6156051
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Originally Posted By: 52Carl
I had to finish a small bathroom because a fly-by-night jack leg skipped town on me in a stolen truck. My truck!
This was 15 years ago. I got over the loss of the truck pretty quick since it was a Ford, but I still have to fight the urge to pound on a random person on the street because of the near-PTSD symptoms I have suffered from being forced to do drywall.

Sorry to hear about your bad luck, but being a Chevy guy, I gotta admit that made me laugh!

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3rd generation drywaller here and before that my people were plaster experts. I didn't choose the drywall profession I was born into it, but I don't make a living hanging or finishing. To be honest its just dang hard arse work, its an honest living but I choose to do easier work, lol. I also passed the skill onto my sons so that even with education they possess a trade, you never know when you need a fall back or can use it yourself. I think most people can handle drywalling if hey are decent with their hands and most trappers fit the bill. Heck, now days with youtube a fellow can bout do any chore with proper instruction. Im no mechanic but have done plenty of my own mechanical work. Go for it Eric, worse case is extra sanding.


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Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B] #6156064
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Its not hard. Takes time to get it right though. I do my own drywall work on it, I dont have the extra funds to pay a pro for the work. I got better room by room. The first room I will eventually have to fix because I can see the seams in places, but thats because I know where they are. Unless you are standing right under them they are not noticable. If I were to sell my house right now I wouldnt give someone who nit-picked about the drywall the time of day to voice thier concerns. At the price range my house is in it is much better than it was, and there are many other more obvious flaws that would need updating. None of which are gonna change the value of my home anyway, or its functionality. I have done an ok job and my wife is happy. We even saved enough to go on a vacation this spring.

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