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#6156167 - 02/12/18 09:20 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: trapper les]
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Originally Posted By: trapper les
Originally Posted By: The Beav
Yep those spray on textured finishes make the do It yourselfer look good.
No they don't.


I did the drywall In my daughters house In Alaska. Most of It was Ok but there were some Iffy parts. The spray on texture made all those iffy parts go away.
The guy doing the spraying must have been very good at what he was doing.
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#6156190 - 02/12/18 09:45 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Beav spray on texture died with disco. Lol

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#6156192 - 02/12/18 09:46 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 01/27/12
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Eric
Good grief what a topic, 5 pages of advise! Everyone is a sheetrocker so go for it who needs youtube! Trapperman doesn't get this many replies on how to trap smile
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#6156244 - 02/12/18 11:08 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
Dirty D Offline
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Registered: 11/12/14
Posts: 222
Loc: east central WI
My dad was a drywaller. Owned his own company. So I was involved in the biz from about age 10 cleaning out houses after the rockers.
I graduated to preping for my dad when he would spray the house.
I rocked for awhile and did some finishing.
I hated the work.

doing a very good drywall job is hard. takes talent.
Doing a mediocre job is easy, most of the professionals do it all the time.
Finding a good drywaller is hard, very few are left.

As mentioned sheets on walls go horizontally.
skilled tapers and finishers don't need to sand between coats.
Alot of the skill in finishing come in with the use of different trowels, flat trowels, curved trowels.
One light quick sanding of house before spraying should be all thats required.
And yes around here drywall finsh (usually a sand texture) is sprayed on.
It does not cover flaws, in many cases it makes them stick out.

I recently built a new house and the level of skill of the drywallers that did the place sucked.
4 guys rocking the house instead of the usual 2.
5-6 guys taping and finishing with massive amounts of sanding between coats instead of one guy taping and finishing with no sanding.
3 guys to spray instead of 1 and a helper.
I'll bet the new drywallers had 2-3 time the amount of man hours in the house that my Dad and his crew would of had.
But I'm sure they paid the workers less than my Dad paid his guys 40 years ago.

I mentioned to the contractor that the drywallers sucked, worst work I had ever seen, lots of areas had to be reworked. The rockers never checked or shimmed the joists/rafters. It took the drywallers over a month with all the reworking and the finished job still sucks, I can't turn on some ceiling lights as the joints are visible still.

HINT for DIYers, use a long straight edge and check the joists/rafters before rocking and shim. Also take the time to figure out where your butt joints are going to be and shim the joists one either side of the butt joint high so that the butt joint is low, gives you a better job in end.

I had my 84 year old Dad help me do some touch up work and he gave me some lessons. I wish I would of spent more effort when I was younger. He was really talented at the work, I could never find flaws in his houses. I went to alot of open houses before building mine and I would say 80-90% of the work nowdays is very poor. Anyone who knows what they are looking at can spot multiple flaws. Luckily most home owners don't know crap.

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#6156250 - 02/12/18 11:19 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 8422
Loc: MN
I e never done drywall but my wife watches a lot of HGTV. Drywall is out of style. Go find some old faded barn wood, call it 'reclaimed' and nail it on the wall. Seems easier.

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#6156286 - 02/13/18 03:49 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
Munderf Offline
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Registered: 12/21/12
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Loc: northwest,ohio
What Dirty D said!!

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#6156304 - 02/13/18 05:11 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 01/19/15
Posts: 1694
Loc: Houghton Lake, MI
DirtyD hit the nail on the head. I was taught drywall the old way with no bazooka, banjo or other gadgets designed to make the job easier and faster. I can taper and finish a house all by hand and sure it may take a little longer than a guy with all the gadgets but I gaurantee my work will be better than most. And I work solo. The key to drywall finish is using the proper type and amount of mud for each phase and application.
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#6156308 - 02/13/18 05:15 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Munderf]
Lugnut Offline
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Originally Posted By: Munderf
What Dirty D said!!


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#6156331 - 02/13/18 05:59 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 11/12/07
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Loc: St. Cloud, MN
It took me longer to get good at finishing fur than drywall.
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#6156417 - 02/13/18 07:59 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
lee steinmeyer Offline
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Registered: 10/28/11
Posts: 6904
Loc: Wheaton Ks
All people have natural talents for different things. Been a welder all my life, and taught welding for awhile, and seen this firsthand. Some people have five thumbs on both hands, and cannot work with their hands, so for those people, a desk job is good! That said, I did the drywall on my place when I built it. Don't like it, and wasn't happy with it, but my neighbors said they thought it was great. Matter of perception! Strike hit the nail on the types of mud and where to use them. That is info that is hard to come by, and like anything, the more you do, the better you get. You only have to please yourself, but be ready for a learning experience if you choose to do it yourself! There is alot of great info from guys that know in this thread!
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#6156520 - 02/13/18 10:06 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
Wright Brothers Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Pa
The pudding pushers of tman has been an interesting read that's for sure.
The money making tool in drywall is,,,,,,,, stilts.

Did I read 20 cents a sq foot? Yikes.
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#6156534 - 02/13/18 10:18 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
trapper les Offline
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Registered: 03/06/11
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Loc: williams,mn
You did read that...for hanging residential, 22 cents for remodel, 25 cents for commercial. Is that high ?

80 cents for finishing. I use stilts a lot .


Edited by trapper les (02/13/18 10:19 AM)
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#6156553 - 02/13/18 10:50 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
adam m Offline
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Registered: 02/11/14
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Loc: nm
Grew up doing it as we were constantly remodeling our house which went from 800 Sq ft to 2500 Sq ft. My dad did a stellar job and taught us. I need to redo most of the walls in my house and garage and have been putting it off. Throughout the years of the different owners there's tons of patch jobs that have been done, full sheets replaced and the seems pop out. I swear Ray Charles could do a better job than the several past owners. Oh add to the mix popcorn ceiling (which I hate for numerous reasons).

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#6156555 - 02/13/18 10:52 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
Wright Brothers Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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50-50 here, 8', so about the same depending how we slice this pie. More if cathedral or any other of that. Some of the palaces near the ritz can get real out of control.
I worked with the 2006 glazers and finishers for a few jobs, with all the modern tools. I thought I was good. After that, I was humbled. Their hangers were hacks and spent days chasing screws and blisters since we were not allowed. The one guy called me a pudding pusher. I told him he should follow me all day with his hands above his head, then tomorrow we'll put tools in your hands and afterwards see how you feel.
I learned "some" from old school hard coat guys but for the most part they guarded their skills and I don't blame them. I still learn from guys in other regions.
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#6156558 - 02/13/18 10:54 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
Wright Brothers Offline
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Adam, popcorn should be illegal.

Oh and Les, 60-60 is even better when you are in demand.
I am almost done, one more, mine, that's it.


Edited by Wright Brothers (02/13/18 10:58 AM)
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#6156588 - 02/13/18 11:26 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
trapper les Offline
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Registered: 03/06/11
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Loc: williams,mn
I don't hang it unless I have to. But that rate is common up here , and that fella does nice work too.

I use the banjo, a 6", a 10" and a 12". No modern box tools, no bazooka here. I have compelled my helper to buy a pair of stilts, lol.

Locally, a gentleman advertised $1.50 a sqft , finished just for labor, and I chunckled as we were at nearly half that and I felt we were high. I don't advertise either.
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#6156606 - 02/13/18 11:58 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
Wright Brothers Offline
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The one guy here has an old school 20". He coats each side of butt with 10 then strikes with the 20. He IS the lid butt king.

When I worked with the pump, they made the mud so thin that it shrank too much. So I went 5-7-9 and had room to ten the hollows, unless they were 8 boxed, then 6-8-10. They even had a box for screws, it sat in the gang box nice clean and new. The inside corner tool was way fast, but not as nice as knifed. Speed was the rule on those jobs, and you could tell.
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#6156620 - 02/13/18 12:09 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
trapper les Offline
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I always thought that inside corner tool was for amateurs to bed tape, not cover it. I hated that tool. So I'll do one side of a corner one day, and the other the following day, then a 10" knife to skim coat from there. I'll do a flat knock down after that if I can sell it...no sanding.
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#6156637 - 02/13/18 12:28 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
Wright Brothers Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: Pa
I wasn't referring to that hard coaters hand corner tool, but was speaking of a corner glazer. I like one side at a time too. On good days it can be one and done but two shifts, lid angles included.

Before you knock down, what do you apply with?
Group of us came up with a "unique" tool/pattern for that.
I like smooth but customer is always right and texture is easier.
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#6156734 - 02/13/18 02:49 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 07/24/11
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Loc: Northern New York State


How's the mudding going.?
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