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#6156738 - 02/13/18 02:54 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: 358wsm]
358wsm Offline
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Registered: 07/24/11
Posts: 175
Loc: Northern New York State
A textured roller, rolled in compound and then rolled vertically every 9" or the width of your roller is a nice look too, and being you are the homeowner, gives you another option for coverage. Just roll it on (mix your paint in it first) and let it dry. Sand off the highs and then repaint the etire wall.
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#6156847 - 02/13/18 05:02 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Wright Brothers]
adam m Offline
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Registered: 02/11/14
Posts: 15293
Loc: nm
Originally Posted By: Wright Brothers
Adam, popcorn should be illegal.


I agree. Wasn't the old school popcorn filed with asbestos?
When we moved in there were 2+ cans in attic. Pain to remove pain to cut painting pain to clean pain all the way around.

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#6157166 - 02/13/18 10:10 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Wright Brothers]
trapper les Offline
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Registered: 03/06/11
Posts: 17129
Loc: williams,mn
Originally Posted By: Wright Brothers
I wasn't referring to that hard coaters hand corner tool, but was speaking of a corner glazer. I like one side at a time too. On good days it can be one and done but two shifts, lid angles included.

Before you knock down, what do you apply with?
Group of us came up with a "unique" tool/pattern for that.
I like smooth but customer is always right and texture is easier.
I am using a "Spraying Mantis" hopper and texture spray gun. Then I let it dry a little until the gleam is gone some, and knock it down with a 24" knock down knife. I have never applied that stucco look to a ceiling like the sea shell look with a notched trowel or any other knife applied finish.

I am interested in what you've come up with.


Edited by trapper les (02/13/18 11:06 PM)
Edit Reason: embarressing spelling error
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#6157186 - 02/13/18 10:45 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1003
Loc: s.w. Missouri
Les, mix sand with your mud, use a red sponge float over the entire surface and then skip trowel a lace texture over it. I will try to find some pics of some that we have done like this, it is a very impressive look on an interior wall. It is also pretty pricey.

I like most of the exterior finishes on the interior walls, just muted down a little by using drywall mud and sand instead of portland and sand.

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#6157195 - 02/13/18 10:57 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 11/19/10
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Loc: Rochester, MN
Been there, done that. Now I hire it done. The professionals do a great job and 1/4 the time it takes me. Just remember, thick wall paper covers lots of mistakes and paneling of some sort does it even better.
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#6157201 - 02/13/18 11:07 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
trapper les Offline
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Registered: 03/06/11
Posts: 17129
Loc: williams,mn
I am going to stucco a building before I die, I might have to start with an outhouse. smile

I would like to see some pics of that CS .


Edited by trapper les (02/13/18 11:09 PM)
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#6157217 - 02/13/18 11:22 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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I will see what I can find Les. As far as stuccoing a building before you die, I think you are smarter than that. It takes a pretty slow witted person to do stucco work.

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#6157222 - 02/13/18 11:30 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
trapper les Offline
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Registered: 03/06/11
Posts: 17129
Loc: williams,mn
I am aware of that, and I'm pretty sure nothing can stop me, lol.
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#6157496 - 02/14/18 08:37 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1799
Loc: Pa
"I am interested in what you've come up with."

Thanks for sharing your gig. I helped a guy ONE time that had one. After I bag mud touched up, he mixed the paint and mud and shot the whole house.
I didn't care for it but he sure did as he basically cranked that finish in one day.
It was a fire restoration.
Your sprayer sure beats building Popeye arms with a roller.

My method. (Not my original idea.) I prefer smooth, it shows the craft, you know there are customers that do not, and the need to blend at times, like after you flat shovel scrape Adams ceilings lol.

Take two bucket lids and two handles and make hawks.
Lay one on thick insulation, press down and cut around it.
Wrap heavy plastic around the insulation and the one hawk.
Duct tape plastic to handle where it meets the bucket lid.
Now you have a hawk and a dobber.
Whip mud wet, adding in all leftover, no bag mud or paint.
Load hawk, punch the dobber on the hawk a few times and get to dobbing the ceiling.
You can add a twist or slide, just don't make a pattern.
The stilt guy carries a pan and big knife to knock down.
Let dry and sand.
Prior that day, while coating lid angles, the ceiling side coat can be skipped, (or not) as the stilt guy can get that while knocking down -> lightly load knife and drag it out from wall while knocking down. There are more tricks but enough for now. Be nice to share a camp fire with Les.

Perhaps next month we can talk stone work. Talk is cheap, and easy lol.
Yesterday I got the truck back running, a real pro shade tree wrencher I am lol.

A drywaller friend of mine wants to stucco his home exterior.
I have no clue at all there.
Hang 9' staccato board, and get to it with 1 Portland to 3 sand?
What about seams? Batten?
I know we can do it after picking the right guys brain.
BIG TALL stilts lol, or NOT. I have staging.
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#6157570 - 02/14/18 09:19 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1003
Loc: s.w. Missouri
Wright Brothers, felt paper, metal lath, scratch coat, brown coat, texture, paint. Scratch coat is a richer portland mix, brown coat has more sand to reduce shrinkage and cracking, texture coat is wetter depending on the type of finish. In your area I would not use a dye in hardcoat stucco, too much moisture and humidity, you need the paint to seal up the stucco. The dyes work well in drier climates but tend to fade unevenly in wetter areas. wait 3 days after scratch coat, seven days after brown and allow finished wall to cure 30 days before painting for best results and true color retention.

The easier and faster way is to use eifs, such as Dryvit or Sto. Foam board, basecoat and fiberglass mesh, finish coat with texture and color. Foam with mechanical fasteners, sand, basecoat one day, finish the next.

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#6157597 - 02/14/18 09:42 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: coolstucco]
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: SEPA
I've been certified to do Dryvit EIFS for a long time. I used to do a lot of residential but it fell out of favor about 10 years ago, now it's mostly commercial applications.

I even have the shirt with the penguin on to prove it! grin
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#6157598 - 02/14/18 09:42 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
trapper les Offline
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Registered: 03/06/11
Posts: 17129
Loc: williams,mn
A lot of good stuff here. Smooth is definitely more time consuming that what I try to sell. When I get done Knocking down, I breeze sand with a stick sander to eliminate any gremlins sticking out before painting, so they don't show up in the light.

I spray a mix of very loose, nearly 2 or 3 to one ration water and mud in order to flow through my hopper at about 30 lbs of air to do this. To guys can do a house in a day easily enough.

We'll find that campfire one day .


Edited by trapper les (02/14/18 09:46 AM)
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#6157606 - 02/14/18 09:56 AM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 1799
Loc: Pa
I'll refer him to this when I see him, he's a trapper but does not post that I know of. He knows about dryvit.
Foam board on there now, over old pine lap siding, over studding. We'll likely hit you with ?s this year. Your method seems straight forward enough. And cost effective.

You are correct about added dye. I did a chimney and added black powder dye.
(not a customer job). Two years after, above roof it's grey, below eave it's black.
Same with stone house and liquid dye from cheapodepo.

Type S Bag mortar that is pre-dyed holds up fine on log chinking and stone. 2.5 to 1
If can't get S, cut in Portland. 1800s log houses, not talking modern with that $$$ $$$$ bucket chink.

off topic enough yet folks?
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#6157868 - 02/14/18 02:53 PM Re: DIY Drywall [Re: Eric B]
trapper les Offline
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Registered: 03/06/11
Posts: 17129
Loc: williams,mn
Nice job...educational to say the least, lol.
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