Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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02/12/18 09:18 PM
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Thanks! I'd like to get it tanned or find someone that can make me a hat. Do you think I can remove that muscle around the head and shoulders while it is still on the board or should I take it off and use the beam? Or because it is partly dry is that a bad idea? I see in your pictures you get the hide down to that almost white/light pink skin, is that due to how much fat was on it when it was caught or is that just skill by you I'm looking at? The only reason I say that is I caught mine under the ice and it was a fat beaver and thought maybe that made a difference. Thanks again for the input.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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02/12/18 09:31 PM
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First, yes you can do it while it is on the board. It isn't too dry by the looks of it. Second, I'll call it practice but yes mine are down to the skin. I personally find fatter beaver easier to flesh (I used to be in MI). Those pictured were very stringy and difficult to flesh. Hard to describe. Most importantly there should be no fat left. If you have membrane down the back without fat under it then it will dry right out and not affect the tanning at all.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
[Re: edbentle]
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02/13/18 10:14 AM
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Sorry to have to say this But.
If all that red membrane Is still on that hide then I'd say It's not fleshed well at all. And I'm betting the tail section has most of the gristle still In place.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
[Re: edbentle]
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02/13/18 03:20 PM
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I generally agree with the "Beav" re the tail area needing more fleshing. Plus you should stick to one (smaller) line for boarding to obtain the proper shape for marketing
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
[Re: edbentle]
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02/13/18 06:50 PM
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Not fair! I want to send you all my stringy southern beaver Boco. I miss northern beaver...want to trade?
If it mattered any at all I would space my nails like pictured above. It doesn't matter with the product I have. Apparently neither does removing the ears, closing leg holes, bites, scars, etc. as I have been told. All that matters is either folded flat and frozen, or fleshed properly and completely dry. Being sold by the pound here. Also, the extreme blotchy look on the large one I posted above is related to an abundance of scars combined with partial dryness (FWIW). If I were selling to the market where northern beaver are going, and the hides are individually graded then I would have at least twice the nails as I used above.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
[Re: edbentle]
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02/13/18 08:27 PM
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Mine neither. LOl
In my opinion way over kill on the nails. 2" apart Is just fine.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
[Re: edbentle]
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Just the way I learned when I was a kid,cant change now.The nails are an inch apart.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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02/14/18 08:29 AM
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Just the way I learned when I was a kid,cant change now.The nails are an inch apart. One inch is what I was taught too. Does make for a nicer looking finish and when each skin is graded individually that might just be enough to land one or two in a better lot. For the current market, it might only matter that it is dry...or frozen flat. Especially down here. I'm putting mine up because I sold my extra freezers when I moved.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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The grader Is looking for defects In the leather and the fur. Nail spacing Isn't a grade. LOL
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
[Re: edbentle]
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Scallops on the side will drop you a size with nails 2 inches apart.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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Can I get some of that stuff your smoking.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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Boco, Beav is never wrong. Give up.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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I wrote out a response, but decided to delete it. Simply not worth posting.
Handle your own fur the way you like, and receive the reward for your efforts. If you are interested in getting proficient handling it then there are plenty of resources available. Judge for yourself which finished product satisfies you.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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The good ones go to auction and that is what they want-no more than an inch apart. The auction houses put this info out to try to get a consistent product for the buyers. The "good enough" attitude is one of the things that hurts the wild fur offering. But things are slowly improving with the younger generation and the easier flow of information nowadays.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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Think your pm box is full Boco.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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I'm a practical man when It comes to putting up fur. I use a 2" spacing and I don't get all this so called scalloping. I do a very good job when I flesh my beaver. So they aren't on the boards for 2 weeks. When It's dry It's off the board and that takes about 5 days In my shop. And In that time I don't get any scalloping. So do what ever trips your trigger guys.
Boco Is a artist when it comes to putting up fur and that's a good thing.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
[Re: fingertrapper]
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I wrote out a response, but decided to delete it. Simply not worth posting.
Handle your own fur the way you like, and receive the reward for your efforts. If you are interested in getting proficient handling it then there are plenty of resources available. Judge for yourself which finished product satisfies you. Exactly !!!!! Colt
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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Boco, your furs shows much care, respect and pride, beautiful job!
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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02/17/18 04:07 PM
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Another example of good beaver put up using 1" nail spacing recommended by NAFA. The skin color of "Boco's" pelt is the result of frost scraping I suspect.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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02/17/18 10:15 PM
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Hello Ed and well come aboard ! I'd suggest a Swedish hoof knife to use for scraping beaver hides after they are stretched. There's two different sizes I have and use each for different reasons. Allan
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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02/19/18 11:01 PM
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Thanks Boco, I know you and others have a wealth of knowledge and experience with putting up quality fur. I'm trying to carry on some family heritage from my grandfather and uncle, unfortunately I have waited until the age of 47 to start. Hopefully I can try to pass what little I know to my son and someday grandchildren.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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02/28/18 06:49 PM
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I use pinning nails,and just tap them in with a tac hammer. I have had pelts rip out from some nails in the past. There are a couple ways to rectify this,the one I like best is to dry the pelts slowly at a cool temp(10c). The other is to raise the pelt up on the nails so the nails can bend inwards if your drying with heat. In both cases,dont drive the nails tight into the board,they have to "give" a bit no matter which way you dry them. Whether you board them loose or tight the pelts still shrink as they dry.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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02/28/18 08:19 PM
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For what it is worth, I use 1 5/8 inch drywall nails. Not the junk ones from box stores, the good kind from a drywall supplier. They are coated to prevent rusting and extremely sharp (so a guy hanging board can stick it in quickly and with little effort without it falling out when he lifts the sheet). The coating does just that too-prevents rust. I lift all my hides and allow the nails to tilt naturally if needed. It aids in drying especially where I am now.
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Re: First time post/beaver- Did I flesh this enough?
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03/01/18 10:35 AM
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very nice job newbie.. only thing I can see is that the pelt needs to be rotated a little to the left Once It's off the board It won't make any difference. LOL
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