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Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps #6156673
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What is your opinion of replacing food stamps with boxed food deliveries? Should be good for farmers as a way to move commodity surpluses. WalMart takes one fith of all food stamps. They will oppose the program.

Bothers me to see SNAP cards used to purchase foods I cant justify for my family.

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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: charles] #6156685
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EBT is a very abused program bought and sold for .20 on the dollar cash to buy drugs and alcohol~


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I remember back in the 60's even they had canned meat, evaporated milk,cheese and many other foods available. I am not sure why that was ended but few now days know how to cook compared to back then.

Government should NEVER be the keeper of the population but we as a whole have allowed this to happen. Charity used to be handled by the churches.


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: charles] #6156694
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Big Sugar lobby is all about candy, soda, bakery product being included on the card. My Dad is 91 and lives on Social Security and gets $15 dollars a month, he should have 5 kids living in his apartment with him, he would get more.


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: charles] #6156698
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Originally Posted By: charles
What is your opinion of replacing food stamps with boxed food deliveries? Should be good for farmers as a way to move commodity surpluses. WalMart takes one fith of all food stamps. They will oppose the program.

Bothers me to see SNAP cards used to purchase foods I cant justify for my family.


This used to be how it was done. I have no issue with giving out beans, rice, flour, etc... Commodities that have very little value other than nutritional. And I have no issue putting conditions on receipt of those commodities.

I do have an issue with the taxpayers money going to fund extravagant meals with no accountability.

In the old testament God made it perfectly acceptable for travelers to wander into your fields and eat their fill. But they couldn't take a single kernel of grain with them when they left. People didn't go hungry, but abuse wasn't possible.

We need to figure out a way to feed hungry people without condoning a shiftless lifestyle.

Mike


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: charles] #6156701
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Those commodities are death in a can/box all salt and starch in most of them but like anything you can "learn" to eat the stuff but it will never be good for you.

I would not feed that stuff to my chickens!

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What is the time limit for this type of 'help'?

6-9 months and then it should end unless its an extreme case......really pees me off to see so many very well dressed and obviously well fed folks using this type of payment. I have seen a few that walk outside and get in a brand new vehicle and drive away.

Some of us scrape by on our own......maybe we are the stupid ones?


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: Law Dog] #6156707
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Originally Posted By: Law Dog
Those commodities are death in a can/box all salt and starch in most of them but like anything you can "learn" to eat the stuff but it will never be good for you.

I would not feed that stuff to my chickens!

I don't see a link explaining what would be handed out, so what are you referring to?

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Last I knew, the Cherokees still pass out commodities to members of their tribe.

It's good stuff made with real ingredients. Their Mac n' Cheese blows Kraft's garbage out of the water.

I'm just a poor working white stiff... So I have to budget and make good choices about what I eat.

Hard to screw up a bag of pinto beans.

Mike


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: charles] #6156710
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There must be different grades of commodities the stuff they hand out is nasty but the youth academy I worked at was considered "Non-profit" somehow and the stuff they got was a better grade you would be surprised what came off of that truck as a commodity. Meats, salad dressings, cheese and a lot more some was pretty good stuff, they never got the canned meats for some reason.

I had the same Government boxes but seemed like better stuff.


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Originally Posted By: M.Magis
Originally Posted By: Law Dog
Those commodities are death in a can/box all salt and starch in most of them but like anything you can "learn" to eat the stuff but it will never be good for you.

I would not feed that stuff to my chickens!

I don't see a link explaining what would be handed out, so what are you referring to?



Find a can of meat products and try to eat some it will answer your question, does everything need a link? LOL

Look up the diabetes and High blood pressure numbers on the Indian reservations that might answer you question too.

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I can see the pros to this that it could reduce the amount of fraud or abuse but it seems like any savings seen from that would be offset by the cost of distributing.

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maybe trump will be like regan and give out some gubermint cheese :}... that was some good stuff had grill cheese n mater soup for long time... dang i miss them days


The only place you find free cheese is in a mousetrap !
Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: charles] #6156742
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If you have ever been in a SD jail at meal time you would see the negative effect commodities have on people that depended on them, it is common practice to cover everything with salt and then blacken it with pepper to get to the level they are accustom to.

Not sure what they get now on the Rez but the kids at the Academy had a lot of commodity jokes and saying it was a big part of their lives that still impacts them today.


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Originally Posted By: Drifter
I remember back in the 60's even they had canned meat, evaporated milk,cheese and many other foods available. I am not sure why that was ended but few now days know how to cook compared to back then.
Best I recall that program was ended because it cost so much to operate.
Government paid trucks, drivers, warehouse men, warehouses, distribution facilities, local administrators; there was an industry in commodity transportation and handling that made a ponud of pinto beans cost as much as three pounds of Porterhouse.

Euthanization, eugenics and sterilization of all who fail to meet economic standards is the only solution. Forget all this save the children stuff, they are contributing nothing. Face it in honesty, no one outside of our personal circles of family, religion, or political views should be allowed to reproduce or to influence future society by raising children.
As Jackson said, "Nits make lice" so start by sterilizing all welfare applicants and all their children over the age of twelve. Then euthanize all second time applicants or first time applicants over the age of forty. Set a "poverty level of 100,000 and limit anyone under that level to only one child or two children with IQ levels of 140 or greater.
Reevaluate every five years to determine if adjustments are needed.
Exempt all redheaded people from the controls programs, redheads are to be the most desirable future genetic marker.

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The concept is sound. But it would have to be intensively managed and there are a lot of questions left to be answered. One thing I'd implement is that the companies providing the "meals" could only be responsible for X amount of meals per day. This allows them to maintain quality in what they are putting together and ensuring that fresh foods are being delivered. It also opens the door for a new expanding market in which multiple companies could get on board and begin working, thus increasing employment and increasing the use of domestically produced seasonal foods. If you are trying to make them eat healthier, you have to use fresher foods and "Shelf stable milk" should NEVER be an option for anyone. I was given that crap in the Marines and it was death in a box.

I do like the idea though, give them healthier food, with options for consideration of allergies, and cut down on the black market EBT cards.

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Originally Posted By: Tweed
I can see the pros to this that it could reduce the amount of fraud or abuse but it seems like any savings seen from that would be offset by the cost of distributing.

That was the result back then. But it did create jobs and expand the government bureaucracy.

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Originally Posted By: tjm
Originally Posted By: Drifter
I remember back in the 60's even they had canned meat, evaporated milk,cheese and many other foods available. I am not sure why that was ended but few now days know how to cook compared to back then.
Best I recall that program was ended because it cost so much to operate.
Government paid trucks, drivers, warehouse men, warehouses, distribution facilities, local administrators; there was an industry in commodity transportation and handling that made a ponud of pinto beans cost as much as three pounds of Porterhouse.

Euthanization, eugenics and sterilization of all who fail to meet economic standards is the only solution. Forget all this save the children stuff, they are contributing nothing. Face it in honesty, no one outside of our personal circles of family, religion, or political views should be allowed to reproduce or to influence future society by raising children.
As Jackson said, "Nits make lice" so start by sterilizing all welfare applicants and all their children over the age of twelve. Then euthanize all second time applicants or first time applicants over the age of forty. Set a "poverty level of 100,000 and limit anyone under that level to only one child or two children with IQ levels of 140 or greater.
Reevaluate every five years to determine if adjustments are needed.
Exempt all redheaded people from the controls programs, redheads are to be the most desirable future genetic marker.


Sounds familiar. Funny that you call it the only solution.

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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: Ryan McLeod] #6156761
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More like a final solution...


Id like to think TJM was being a little sarcastic.

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Originally Posted By: Rye
The concept is sound. But it would have to be intensively managed and there are a lot of questions left to be answered. One thing I'd implement is that the companies providing the "meals" could only be responsible for X amount of meals per day. This allows them to maintain quality in what they are putting together and ensuring that fresh foods are being delivered. It also opens the door for a new expanding market in which multiple companies could get on board and begin working, thus increasing employment and increasing the use of domestically produced seasonal foods. If you are trying to make them eat healthier, you have to use fresher foods and "Shelf stable milk" should NEVER be an option for anyone. I was given that crap in the Marines and it was death in a box.

I do like the idea though, give them healthier food, with options for consideration of allergies, and cut down on the black market EBT cards.
The cards are electronically tracable there is no accountability or tractability of raw produce and commodities; they were either "lost" in shipment or spoiled before distribution, while being sold to the intended recipients or being traded for goods or services by the handlers and distributors.

Eliminate these leeches and eliminate the problems, in concert with sterilization of recipients include all applicants for the jobs that would allow abuse of the commodity distribution program. Might not keep them from operating a black market but would keep them from having kids that grow up to work for the government.

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TJM,

I give your comments ZERO merit. It's rare I find an individual more extreme in their views that I am. You are one of those. I give your comments no merit not because they differ from my own thoughts, but because that are obviously a pipe dream and far too extreme for 99.9% of the population that isn't mentally ill to embrace.


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Originally Posted By: Rye
TJM,

I give your comments ZERO merit. It's rare I find an individual more extreme in their views that I am. You are one of those. I give your comments no merit not because they differ from my own thoughts, but because that are obviously a pipe dream and far too extreme for 99.9% of the population that isn't mentally ill to embrace.
Not really my dream, simply expanding the commonly expressed views to a logical conclusion.
Reality is there is no solution, just situation management.

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Seen a lady on the Rez once pulling out EBT cards like she was playing cards she had a Crown Royal bag of them she had bought from others on the cheap.

Yes EBT is way better then "here eat this" but the commodity damage still exist today and corruption is very common.


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Originally Posted By: DelawareRob
More like a final solution...
All solutions are final. when a problem is solved, there is no more problem. Anything less than final is not a solution, just a continuation of the problem.

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What is a heavier burden, SNAP fraud or Military spending fraud/waste/abuse?

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What is a heavier burden, SNAP fraud or Military spending fraud/waste/abuse?
Neither is actually a burden, both provide countless jobs and aid the economy and expand the tax base. Both are funded by make believe (fiat) money borrowed from other countries.

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I was a Lions International member for 20
years....at Christmas time we would take boxes of food items to needy families.
I was also the garbage man in the same area. If it required cooking or effort, much of it went into the trash.
I once picked up 21 sacks of food items beside a dumpster at a low-income housing where someone was moving out.
Worst thing we can do is make it easy for somebody. A working man dont have it easy.


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Making life easy is how the opposition gets their votes.
Down here on the rez the guys who grew up on commodities are said to have "mod bods".


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Originally Posted By: tjm
Originally Posted By: Drifter
I remember back in the 60's even they had canned meat, evaporated milk,cheese and many other foods available. I am not sure why that was ended but few now days know how to cook compared to back then.
Best I recall that program was ended because it cost so much to operate.
Government paid trucks, drivers, warehouse men, warehouses, distribution facilities, local administrators; there was an industry in commodity transportation and handling that made a ponud of pinto beans cost as much as three pounds of Porterhouse.

Euthanization, eugenics and sterilization of all who fail to meet economic standards is the only solution. Forget all this save the children stuff, they are contributing nothing. Face it in honesty, no one outside of our personal circles of family, religion, or political views should be allowed to reproduce or to influence future society by raising children.
As Jackson said, "Nits make lice" so start by sterilizing all welfare applicants and all their children over the age of twelve. Then euthanize all second time applicants or first time applicants over the age of forty. Set a "poverty level of 100,000 and limit anyone under that level to only one child or two children with IQ levels of 140 or greater.
Reevaluate every five years to determine if adjustments are needed.
Exempt all redheaded people from the controls programs, redheads are to be the most desirable future genetic marker.


Yeah... Scrap what I said earlier. Railroad cars. We need railroad cars.

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I didn't read anything in the article about meals, just groceries. Recipients can cook without fat and salt if they wish. Be good if a person's doctor could contact the distribution point and eliminate foods that the patient should avoid.

Someone mentioned "well clothed and well fed". I might add gold jewelry, salon fingernails and hair braids, tattoos, SSI and disability income, free Obamacare, Air Jordans, multiple cell phones, designer jeans, and the all important Cadillac Escalade in the driveway. Then they get earned income credit, child care, free lunch and breakfast for the kids, energy assistance, and housing, not to mention law enforcement costs, prison costs, and drug treatment. We all pay for this stuff because many are not working even with jobs going unfilled. They do save money on belts.

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I have a relative that her hubby takes less work to not mess up the free money coming in and will put her Mom in the poor house as she gives a tick on a dogs butt competition sucking her Mom dry!


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That food that they are proposing to give out, will be like the Meals on Wheels, or that food the senior folks that live at home, and are on long term home care , get. Packaged , boxed up meals, made either in a Hospital or in a factory somewhere. Over salted, bland, tasteless , fruit that got frozen from being too close to the dry ice in the shipping box. Not enough to fill your stomach, dessert will consist of a hard chocolate chip cookie. 1 small container of fat free Milk. Oh, and sometimes the food will be so bad, even the Dog won't eat it !!

A person would be better off, getting meals delivered from the local Restaurant !

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Still more then the people paying for it are getting out of it.


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I really dont have a problem with anyone getting food stamps as long as the farmers get the tax break where they deduct 20% off gross sales when they sell to a cooperative. that puts there tax burden at zero!


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That food that they are proposing to give out, will be like the Meals on Wheels, or that food the senior folks that live at home, and are on long term home care , get. Packaged , boxed up meals, made either in a Hospital or in a factory somewhere. Over salted, bland, tasteless , fruit that got frozen from being too close to the dry ice in the shipping box. Not enough to fill your stomach, dessert will consist of a hard chocolate chip cookie. 1 small container of fat free Milk. Oh, and sometimes the food will be so bad, even the Dog won't eat it !!

A person would be better off, getting meals delivered from the local Restaurant !


Sounds like incentive to get a job to me then.

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EBT is a very abused program bought and sold for .20 on the dollar cash to buy drugs and alcohol~





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Seen a lady on the Rez once pulling out EBT cards like she was playing cards she had a Crown Royal bag of them she had bought from others on the cheap.

Yes EBT is way better then "here eat this" but the commodity damage still exist today and corruption is very common.



to bad it happens all over not just on the Rez


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Originally Posted By: Law Dog
Seen a lady on the Rez once pulling out EBT cards like she was playing cards she had a Crown Royal bag of them she had bought from others on the cheap.

Yes EBT is way better then "here eat this" but the commodity damage still exist today and corruption is very common.



to bad it happens all over not just on the Rez


Thats true.


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Originally Posted By: Canvasback2
That food that they are proposing to give out, will be like the Meals on Wheels, or that food the senior folks that live at home, and are on long term home care , get. Packaged , boxed up meals, made either in a Hospital or in a factory somewhere. Over salted, bland, tasteless , fruit that got frozen from being too close to the dry ice in the shipping box. Not enough to fill your stomach, dessert will consist of a hard chocolate chip cookie. 1 small container of fat free Milk. Oh, and sometimes the food will be so bad, even the Dog won't eat it !!

A person would be better off, getting meals delivered from the local Restaurant !


Sounds like incentive to get a job to me then.


Getting a job when the person is 90 years old , is going to be a bit difficult ...

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Seen a lady on the Rez once pulling out EBT cards like she was playing cards she had a Crown Royal bag of them she had bought from others on the cheap.

Yes EBT is way better then "here eat this" but the commodity damage still exist today and corruption is very common.



to bad it happens all over not just on the Rez


For sure I ran a Schwan's truck until I got into the Sheriff's Office and that was the monthly trip to both Reservations on the 11th of every month I have a lot of good friends up that way!


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Should pass a drug test to get anything


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Originally Posted By: Tweed
What is a heavier burden, SNAP fraud or Military spending fraud/waste/abuse?
Neither is actually a burden, both provide countless jobs and aid the economy and expand the tax base. Both are funded by make believe (fiat) money borrowed from other countries.

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the faster they print money into oblivion the faster we can have a civil war and try and get things back to reality.... sadly it takes oppr
ession ,genocide, starvation, and war, study history!

the money isnt borrowed .. mostly just inflated wich oure media says is less than 2% i hate to be a doomsdayer but were looking at some ugly times ahead.. we dont have a fiscally responcible party we have liberals and less liberals..


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A lot of "pro poverty" people on this thread. I thought politics were banned? Oh well, I'll throw in my two cents.

Speaking of spending money, current administration budget will be about a trillion dollars in the red YEARLY. I didn't see any increases for poor people.

It's all part of the grand Republican plan: run up debt, declare an emergency, and reduce or eliminate so-called "entitlements" which help out the "poor" (Medicare, Medicade, Social Security). All of which were created by Democrats by the way.

Reminder: Slick Willie was the last President to run a budget surplus.

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Rat , what you got against people feeding themselves ?


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Originally Posted By: Law Dog



Find a can of meat products and try to eat some it will answer your question, does everything need a link? LOL

Look up the diabetes and High blood pressure numbers on the Indian reservations that might answer you question too.

So youre making it up. Thats what I thought. You have no idea wha they have planned.

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No problem at all, sometimes people need help. What I am against is rich people getting breaks and people in the middle pointing their fingers at the poor.

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The problems with most of the proposals made here are that your system would cost more to administer, or else leave people starving in the streets.

Rats, I appreciate your thinking, but if I were you I'd clean up that post of political references.

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It's not the rich people's fault. But why pick on the poor?

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How long would they starve in the streets ? Jimmy


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How long would they starve in the streets ? Jimmy

I don't get your point.

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It's not the rich people's fault. But why pick on the poor?


Giving someone something they did not earn is more likely to destroy them


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I want to bring things back around to spending money on poor people. What we spend on the needy is a drop in the bucket. Where is all this money going? A trillion a year in deficits??

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Make them line up for their food.Line them up against the wall,and feed them meatballs with a slingshot,like they do in the old age homes.
I think I'll go fry up a mess of Klik.

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Originally Posted By: Rats!
A lot of "pro poverty" people on this thread. I thought politics were banned? Oh well, I'll throw in my two cents.

Speaking of spending money, current administration budget will be about a trillion dollars in the red YEARLY. I didn't see any increases for poor people.

It's all part of the grand Republican plan: run up debt, declare an emergency, and reduce or eliminate so-called "entitlements" which help out the "poor" (Medicare, Medicade, Social Security). All of which were created by Democrats by the way.

Reminder: Slick Willie was the last President to run a budget surplus.


that is the biggest lie slick willy pulled off!! if we had a budget surplus why didn't the national debt reduce?? the took some numbers that were a little better than last months the multiplied by the spped of light they came up with a surplus... then he played the sacks and all the liberal went to jivin!! keep on jivin dude !!!!
didnt work enough intelligent people in the usa.. proof is in the pudding Trump is the POTUS


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Make them line up for their food.Line them up against the wall,and feed them meatballs with a slingshot,like they do in the old age homes.
I think I'll go fry up a mess of Klik.


Sounds like a lot more fun than our old folks homes!


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Nazi in your midst:

from tjm:
Euthanization, eugenics and sterilization of all who fail to meet economic standards is the only solution. Forget all this save the children stuff, they are contributing nothing. Face it in honesty, no one outside of our personal circles of family, religion, or political views should be allowed to reproduce or to influence future society by raising children.
As Jackson said, "Nits make lice" so start by sterilizing all welfare applicants and all their children over the age of twelve. Then euthanize all second time applicants or first time applicants over the age of forty. Set a "poverty level of 100,000 and limit anyone under that level to only one child or two children with IQ levels of 140 or greater.
Reevaluate every five years to determine if adjustments are needed.
Exempt all redheaded people from the controls programs, redheads are to be the most desirable future genetic marker.

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^^^ Methinks that Rats! doesn't understand the concept of sarcasm.

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I am out of here, goodnight.
The point I am trying to make is that poor people have it rough, and I have EMPATHY.
I know that many of you are Christians and if you don't have any feelings for the less fortunate then you are not at all like Jesus.

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How many are poor because of life choices?

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I am out of here, goodnight.
The point I am trying to make is that poor people have it rough, and I have EMPATHY.
I know that many of you are Christians and if you don't have any feelings for the less fortunate then you are not at all like Jesus.

Classic. Absolutely classic.
I appreciate the "I" statements you made. "I have empathy"...that's great, I applauded you. However, forcing other people to feed someone else at the end of a gun or prison cell isn't empathy. Government is incapable of true empathy, that is only possible in the realm of individuals.
There is a certain amount of waste and fraud that needs to acceptable in any government program. I don't know how to make it the least amount possible. I'm willing to try new things in regards to food stamps. I doubt any tweak will end with people starving to death in the street. If that were to occur, many people would experience true empathy, by feed those hungry people themselves.

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I'm back. My point is, for all you fiscal conservatives out there: Anti-poverty measures are but a small part of the budget. Where is the BIG money going? To people who already have plenty. We cannot all be rich, it is impossible.

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Find a can of meat products and try to eat some it will answer your question, does everything need a link? LOL

Look up the diabetes and High blood pressure numbers on the Indian reservations that might answer you question too.

So youre making it up. Thats what I thought. You have no idea wha they have planned.


Been living here the last 40 years working with the people that live here you might have a app for that but I have been living it!

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Wow I showed up late for the party. Lol
We could fix a lot if we just sent all the illegal imagrout and groners out of the USA. A LOT OF IT.

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There will always be those without money to buy food. It could be for a lot of reasons from just bad luck to irresponsibility to who knows what. It not only affects them but it affects their dependents, and even ME. Yes, me.

People need to eat. They will find food even if comes to stealing it, or stealing whatever to trade for it.

We need a program to keep people fed. It doesn't need to include French wine and Russian caviar. Limit the benefit to necessities. Delivering food boxes involves a lot of extra costs related to logistics. I don't believe it would be cost effective.

Soup kitchens don't make a lot more sense.

I think what we have is along the right track. But, we could do more. Teach the man to fish, so to speak. Offer, or even require training in nutrition, cooking and food economics. That won't save us from the malicious, but, would be sure to help the truly needy.

Keep the needy fed and they have that much less reason to harass me on the street.


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We have a local food bank that gives out food during the week many food banks all over SD but like anything else you see abuse there too.

Overall the US gives away billions here and overseas from just people and organization no strings attached.


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Yes Law Dog, that is what compassionate people do.

I see people here who despise the hungry. Why is that?

What would Jesus think of that?

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Can anyone make a real Dinner for $1.50 to $1.73 ? Those old folks that have their Mortgage paid off, and still living in their own home, don't have it easy. Taxes, Utilities , Homeowners Insurance, Food and Miscellaneous expenses ; eat up most of their retirement check each Month. Then , the Government actually expects people to buy food that is healthy and tastes good. Those stores, they know when the food stamps come in. They jack their prices up that week, suckering the customers into spending more than what they normally would. But, when the Refrigerator is empty, people got to eat.

If people are so against the poor getting Food Stamps, would they be against the Government eliminating Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, SSI , SSDI, and Veterans benefits ??

Well, why not?? They are all expenditures that could be eliminated.

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Yes Law Dog, that is what compassionate people do.

I see people here who despise the hungry. Why is that?

What would Jesus think of that?



You are confused . It's not the governments responsibilty . It's family and the church who should not only help those in need but teach them to care for themselves.


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Thanks for the backup Canvasback2.

A little inspiration for the rest of you:

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " Huber H. Humphrey

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Like I said, people make poor choices. Stay out of trouble, finish HS, don't get pregnant or get someone pregnant, don't do drugs. Live within your means and work hard, save your money. If most everyone did this we could take care of the ones that can't take care of themselves.

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I remember back in the 60's even they had canned meat, evaporated milk,cheese and many other foods available. I am not sure why that was ended but few now days know how to cook compared to back then.
Best I recall that program was ended because it cost so much to operate.
Government paid trucks, drivers, warehouse men, warehouses, distribution facilities, local administrators; there was an industry in commodity transportation and handling that made a ponud of pinto beans cost as much as three pounds of Porterhouse.

Euthanization, eugenics and sterilization of all who.........
As Jackson said, "Nits make lice"


Actually it wasn't Jackson, but a guy named John Milton Chivington. Google the "Sand creek Massacre" to see what a fine specimen he was.


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Yes Law Dog, that is what compassionate people do.

I see people here who despise the hungry. Why is that?

What would Jesus think of that?


Cut taxes for those at the top and leave the lazy poor to step up or starve.


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Yes Law Dog, that is what compassionate people do.

I see people here who despise the hungry. Why is that?

What would Jesus think of that?



You are confused . It's not the governments responsibilty . It's family and the church who should not only help those in need but teach them to care for themselves.


REALLY?????????

And what are people in need , to do when they have NO FAMILY?? And the Churches in the Town are NOT in the Food Pantry business?? None of the Churches in my Town are giving out food!

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REALLY?????????

And what are people in need , to do when they have NO FAMILY?? And the Churches in the Town are NOT in the Food Pantry business?? None of the Churches in my Town are giving out food!



Get a job man and help yourself .......don't expect your neighbor to feed you


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Euthanization, eugenics and sterilization of all who fail to meet economic standards is the only solution. Forget all this save the children stuff, they are contributing nothing. Face it in honesty, no one outside of our personal circles of family, religion, or political views should be allowed to reproduce or to influence future society by raising children.


Thank you Margaret Sanger........you got first........

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Per the constitution: "a government exists for the benefit of the people". We are not an "every man for himself society". We are all in this together. It is mean-spirited to look down on someone who needs food.

Let's see a vote of who wants food denied to the hungry.

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I'm not buying into Jesus would let people would let people starve: Matthew 14:13-21

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REALLY?????????

And what are people in need , to do when they have NO FAMILY?? And the Churches in the Town are NOT in the Food Pantry business?? None of the Churches in my Town are giving out food!



Get a job man and help yourself .......don't expect your neighbor to feed you


Tell that to the 90 year old Woman who has just gone through her 2nd bout with Cancer and is now home with Hospice Care. Tell that to her 94 year old World War 2 Veteran Husband, who himself is barely getting around with one of those 4 wheeled strollers; but who refuses to leave her side and put her in a Nursing Home. Those are people that are at the end of their lives. How about showing a little compassion for once !!

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The purpose of the constitution is to limit the power of the federal government...........not to feed people


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I hijacked this thread and I am NOT sorry about that. We talked about the Constitution and Jesus. We are all in this together. My beef is that being mean to people who need help is not productive. Give help where you can. Why would you be envious of someone who has nothing? I am asking you to be kind in your actions and thoughts.

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There is no compassion in giving when it comes from government taxing others

Charity is a personal value and should come from your own resources


How compassionate are you canvasback? Ratman ?

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And to protect the freedom of speech. If corporations are given individual rights surely a vote in support of a politician who shows empathy and compassion is nothing more than an individuals expression of free speech.


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There is no compassion in giving when it comes from government taxing others

Charity is a personal value and should come from your own resources


How compassionate are you canvasback? Ratman ?


I have helped bring Companies into my Town that have created JOBS for people.

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If we wait for the fed.gov to fix our problems we could be waiting for a long time. life is what you make of it.

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I don't get it gray dog. I am for freedom of speech.

Quote from you: "If corporations are given individual rights surely a vote in support of a politician who shows empathy and compassion is nothing more than an individuals expression of free speech."

Can a corporation be jailed?

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I don't get it gray dog. I am for freedom of speech.

Quote from you: "If corporations are given individual rights surely a vote in support of a politician who shows empathy and compassion is nothing more than an individuals expression of free speech."

Can a corporation be jailed?



No, but the executives of the Corporation can be.

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There is no compassion in giving when it comes from government taxing others

Charity is a personal value and should come from your own resources


How compassionate are you canvasback? Ratman ?


I have helped bring Companies into my Town that have created JOBS for people.



Was this an act for compassion or an act for compensation ?


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If we wait for the fed.gov to fix our problems we could be waiting for a long time. life is what you make of it.



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I think TJM was serious ==>
Quote from his reply: "Euthanization, eugenics and sterilization of all who fail to meet economic standards is the only solution. Forget all this save the children stuff, they are contributing nothing. Face it in honesty, no one outside of our personal circles of family, religion, or political views should be allowed to reproduce or to influence future society by raising children.
As Jackson said, "Nits make lice" so start by sterilizing all welfare applicants and all their children over the age of twelve. Then euthanize all second time applicants or first time applicants over the age of forty. Set a "poverty level of 100,000 and limit anyone under that level to only one child or two children with IQ levels of 140 or greater.
Reevaluate every five years to determine if adjustments are needed.
Exempt all redheaded people from the controls programs, redheads are to be the most desirable future genetic marker."

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It took a long time to write all of that.

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In case you haven't noticed, I am strongly defensive about people who cannot provide for themselves. Have fun picking on them.

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I don't get it gray dog. I am for freedom of speech.

Quote from you: "If corporations are given individual rights surely a vote in support of a politician who shows empathy and compassion is nothing more than an individuals expression of free speech."

Can a corporation be jailed?



No they can't and seldom are those who head them. Incorporating is an excellent shield against personal responsibility for the decision makers even when those decisions are criminal.


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Getting a job when the person is 90 years old , is going to be a bit difficult ...
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Of course. But I've also read more about this tonight. Then plan is to eliminate 1/2 of the EBT benefit, and replace it with healthy foods. You will get a box delivered to you that contains milk, juice, canned veggies, rice, beans, cheese, etc. and will have half of your allotment of stamps still available to use as you see fit.

Most 90 year olds get far less than $90 a month, so it will not affect them, only people with 7 kids, 7 baby daddies and no job.

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As Jackson said, "Nits make lice"


Actually it wasn't Jackson, but a guy named John Milton Chivington. Google the "Sand creek Massacre" to see what a fine specimen he was.
Well, my memory is that I saw it attributed to Andy J during the Creek war which would have been maybe 50 years prior to John Miltons little party, so I had sorta presumed Chivington just quoted Jackson; they were pretty much two of a kind concerning native rights.
But a little web research shows that "Nits will be Lice,.." appeared in various writings as early as 1683 in connection with the Irish Rebellion and credited to Oliver Cromwell himself. It then is possible that both th Great Injun Killers quoted old Oliver and equally possible that the expression was simply a common place expression at the time. I did find this too "president Andrew Jackson said, If you pursue a wolf, you have to kill the whelps too. "

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Ole chivington, he done his deal just 45 miles n of me. Nothing to be proud of. We shoot yotes just outside the fence, that place is still very much alive. Not in a good way really.........if you wanna see some spooks thats a pretty good place to start....

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Whatever. My whole deal is please don't pick on poor people. I have been there and I did not like it. Still poor but doing better.

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If you are jealous of the poor and hungry I feel sorry for you.

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I think TJM was serious ==> Quote from his reply: ....
Yes and no.
The arguments both for and against all social welfare programs are circular and defeat themselves; as long as you have less fortunate people the problem will exist.
Any of those social engineering routes will end up at the same place, yours and theirs are the same.

Twas somewhat tongue in cheek though.

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When the more fortunate supply the less fortunate through charity everyone has a net gain. When a government becomes involved in this exchange everyone will suffer a net loss and thieves will be created.

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I don't think anyone here wants to see people who truly can't help themselves starve. What most of us want is for people who are perfectly capable of working to work for their own living rather than sponging off the rest of society.

Most people on welfare and foodstamps are capable of providing for themselves, to at least some extent, they just don't have enough moral character to provide for themselves, when they don't have to.

As to eugenics, people can be genetically improved, by selective breeding. It's a true fact that makes almost all of us uncomfortable. The wrong people have most of the children in our society. People on public assistance have a much higher reproduction rate than productive people. Adults on public assistance should not be allowed to procreate, while receiving public assistance. They are much more likely to pass on both poor nature and nature. Birth control implants should be a condition of receiving public assistance as an adult. This will likely never happen here in the US.

A strong effort should be made to mentor and educate children on public assistance to help them become capable of providing for themselves.

One of the greatest things you can do for another human being is to motivate them to reach their full potential to do well.

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If you are jealous of the poor and hungry I feel sorry for you.


Not jealous at all, but completely tired of buying food for those that can buy it for themselves, Like the girl I worked with that would bring in $100 worth of cookies and cakes for her coworkers everytime her food stamps came in, then be begging for $10 from everyone in the store the last week of the month@!

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From KeithC:

"As to eugenics, people can be genetically improved, by selective breeding. It's a true fact that makes almost all of us uncomfortable. The wrong people have most of the children in our society. People on public assistance have a much higher reproduction rate than productive people. Adults on public assistance should not be allowed to procreate, while receiving public assistance. They are much more likely to pass on both poor nature and nature. Birth control implants should be a condition of receiving public assistance as an adult.
This will likely never happen here in the US."

No kidding Keith ==> "it will likely never happen". You may not know it but you have the Nazi thing going on.

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And it could argued that those on public assistance are more genetically advanced than those who provide the assistance. Exerting less effort to achieve the same gain illustrates higher intelligence.

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Rats you seem to be a genuinely compassionate person. Very admirable. You need to channel that compassion and empathy into helping others PERSONALLY. Not through federal government and harangin those that want the federal government to act within its mean and capabilities.

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No kidding Keith ==> "it will likely never happen". You may not know it but you have the Nazi thing going on.


I most definitely do not have any sympathy for the Nazis or for liberals, who attack others with emotion laced words like Nazi, because they have difficulty forming a valid, intelligent argument.

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Nazi is acronym for socialists in Germany, liberal is pc for socialist in USA; can some one explain the difference between one socialist and another socialist?

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Go Rats! You tell them.

Before federal government assistance, private charity was not doing the job. If private charity had been taking care of the poor everywhere in the US, government never would have had to get involved.

Private charities don't have the resources or human power required. Ask any private charity--they're all looking, and some are begging, for more volunteers.

Like it or not, government must be involved. I agree with Rats that a decent, compassionate people take care of their poor, weak, and disabled.

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In the words of Jesus Christ.."Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debt as we have forgiven our debtors."


Glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity
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I hijacked this thread and I am NOT sorry about that. We talked about the Constitution and Jesus. We are all in this together. My beef is that being mean to people who need help is not productive. Give help where you can. Why would you be envious of someone who has nothing? I am asking you to be kind in your actions and thoughts.

When I was a child , The poor were skinny, nuff said.

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Go Rats! You tell them.

Before federal government assistance, private charity was not doing the job. If private charity had been taking care of the poor everywhere in the US, government never would have had to get involved.

Private charities don't have the resources or human power required. Ask any private charity--they're all looking, and some are begging, for more volunteers.

Like it or not, government must be involved. I agree with Rats that a decent, compassionate people take care of their poor, weak, and disabled.

Jim

Describe "poor", What level of "poorness" do we compassionate people reward? At what level of income do we get "uncompassionate". I have been around the country and I have seen a lot of "unfortunate " people but very few actually "poor".

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Go Rats! You tell them.

Before federal government assistance, private charity was not doing the job. If private charity had been taking care of the poor everywhere in the US, government never would have had to get involved.

Private charities don't have the resources or human power required. Ask any private charity--they're all looking, and some are begging, for more volunteers.

Like it or not, government must be involved. I agree with Rats that a decent, compassionate people take care of their poor, weak, and disabled.

Jim
I think it may have been more like government wanted people to believe they were God. Seems to be working.
If it were put forward that the church would handle the donations and government would handle the distribution,or vice versa,wouldn't be long before someone was yelling separation of church and state.
True charity comes from within. Forced charity as taxation for welfare is nothing more than theft.

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What an interesting thread. It's saddening that there are so many uninformed opinions.

I am a benefits fraud investigator. I love my job. Nothing makes me happier than substantiating an allegation.

You no what slows me down..... jealous people who are mad at poor people making baseless allegations.


A culture is judged by how they treat those (and view those) in need, the less fortunate whether their fault or not.

I see horrible cases everyday that would make your head explode and yet....it still hasn't dampened my compassion.

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Whatever. My whole deal is please don't pick on poor people. I have been there and I did not like it. Still poor but doing better.

I've been as broke as anyone , But never poor.

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I also found it funny a few months ago when something was said there were more than a few guys that got bent out of shape when those on disability got called out. If you're able bodied enough to trap, or able enough to work.

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I remember i had to sav.e up to be poor.


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This is a touchy situation.I can safely assume that everyone that has worked there entire life or most of it ,less truly disabled persons.,will most likey be sick and tired of what now happening say for the last 20 years.Free get it, its Free! With no rhyme and reason why the heck some are on it for as long as they choose It's become a life style, Starting from young girls in school making babys and deciding that really isn't a bad occupation option. Free housing, food, heat, medical, cell phones, internet,gas cards,transportation,car repair,air conditioners in sommer.free tuition and day care.(they take the money and never go w/o reprisals)
Sorry I dont buy that exploitation and never will. call me un-progressive,I dont care stand on your feet ,the lazy ones and stop being a burden to all us.Now we cant stop the machine off welfare.
None of this is based or pointed at the truly needy.I can feel for them and there familys. The others you have my wrath!

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Something is terribly wrong with the existing system:


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One chart I looked at for a family of 4 income 2600.00 a month, food stamps 649 a month. As our congress keeps lowering the bar to get on we now have half the population receiving benefits. This is all social engineering to put and keep the population dependant on the Gov. When I first got married we could have got on every program the state had but I didn't instead I worked 80 hours a week for years. Some people are unlucky but I've found the harder I worked the luckier I got.

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And who was running the show the last 8 years on that chart??

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Big difference between someone needing a little help and a 5th generation welfare abuser that NEVER has worked! Half the people are talking about one group and the other half it talking about the other half. Yes a touchy subject as both sides are talking from experience so both are right in the end.


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Generational Welfare

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Big difference between someone needing a little help and a 5th generation welfare abuser that NEVER has worked! Half the people are talking about one group and the other half it talking about the other half. Yes a touchy subject as both sides are talking from experience so both are right in the end.


This chart is from the same site that corky got his from.

Are you surprised by the low percentage of Natives? I have this perception that the vast majority of Natives receive SNAP benefits although I have little interaction with them here.


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And who was running the show the last 8 years on that chart??


Look at 2008-2016.


Trigger warning....might create some Clinton fans.


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Big difference between someone needing a little help and a 5th generation welfare abuser that NEVER has worked! Half the people are talking about one group and the other half it talking about the other half. Yes a touchy subject as both sides are talking from experience so both are right in the end.


This chart is from the same site that corky got his from.

Are you surprised by the low percentage of Natives? I have this perception that the vast majority of Natives receive SNAP benefits although I have little interaction with them here.




Population wise that would make sense the cities have millions of people compared to the reservations that often have thousands nothing shocking about those numbers. Just look at the voting patterns here and it will explain the dependency on hand outs.

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Trigger warning....might create some Clinton fans.




Look at who controlled congress at those times. That includes 2008-2016.

It's neat and fun to point at the president in office. I do it. But who is in control of congress says a lot more.


Oh stop it.... More often than not congress is controlled by the opposing party. Locally here its more comical because our Governor is usually of the opposing party. That way each party can blame the other.

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So along with the Clinton fan answer you are saying republicans had a lot to do with economic prosperity.

At that time, you would be correct. But Clinton gets the kudos from those who assign success/failure to who is in the president's office.


Yes....politics is crap.

By both parties being in control of one or the other branches of the Government they can both take credit for success and throw blame at short comings.

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So the dumb ones are those who think politicians care about anything except getting re-elected.
That and that there is any difference in the major parties or the important players. The entire system is a fraud to make the public believe they have some impact on the government and thus avoid general anarchy.
If the majority had basic comprehension skills and an understanding of logic anarchy would rule.

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When did people stop producing their own food and turn to the expectation that someone would hand it to them? I realize that not everyone has enough dirt to grow 100% of their food, but (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman), plant a pot of bean plants, do something.


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I could be wrong but the program was ended because of the subsidies on agricultural products in particular dairy products (government Cheese ).The USDA purchased commodities on the open market at an advanced price to keep the mrkt. on certain commodities more stable and to put a bottom on it Helping ALL farmers .These commodities where either stored in strategic warehouses or distributed the to public institutions cafeterias (prisons ,schools )and to the poor . The ending of it devastated the small dairy farmer leaving the industry vulnerable to corporatization . The USDA went from a product based subsidy program where the USDA got something out of it that it could distribute to gov. and nonprofit institutions to just giving cash payouts to CERTAIN farmers (CRP , Crop insurance )and almost exclusively to food stamps .I remember when I was young everything our school served for lunch was USDA commodities The huge plain brown or black and white containers of dried potatoes ,dried milk , honey, butter ,rice ,and beans ,flour ,cheese ,corn meal ,peanut butter, canned meat,and even lard sat in the hall where we walked past them in line to eat . by the time I graduated everything they served was brand name and the school was debating contracting out the school lunch program because of cost. Yes it was a huge ,huge gov program that was "EXPENSIVE "but The commodity program of the seventies and early eighties helped way more people across many different levels of society than this cash based program we have now . It's just another example of the polititions and their associates cashing in on "privatizing a good successful government program that did a great amount of good .
A previous poster mentioned it being a horribly corrupt system ,but how can a commodity based system ever be more corrupt than a cash based system .


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Saw a guy just yesterday at a dollar General he was probably in his mid 20s come to the register with about 30 of the big energy drinks that are over $3 each and pays with a food stamp card, really chapped my arse



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Social services should be trying to get people off programs but there is no job security in that.

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They don't work in restaurants.

Would you like to see SNAP have similar restriction as WIC?

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They don't work in restaurants.

Would you like to see SNAP have similar restriction as WIC?



Yes, they do. Ive seen it with my own eyes and have taken a picture of it. I dont want to go through thousands of pictures to find it, but Ill sure take a picture and post it whenever I am able to get to a restaurant that offers it.


At some sonic drive ins, its one of the payment options on the self service screen.


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the old commodity program did a lot of good for a lot of people all over the world. there was a time if a church wanted to host a soup kitchen all they did was file some papers with usda and they had more chipped beef dry beans and rice than they new what to do with The USDA worked hand in hand with many churches and community based organizations to distribute commodities. there was a time when foreign aid mint ship loads of USDA commodities instead of billions of dollars .

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the old commodity program did a lot of good for a lot of people all over the world. there was a time if a church wanted to host a soup kitchen all they did was file some papers with usda and they had more chipped beef dry beans and rice than they new what to do with The USDA worked hand in hand with many churches and community based organizations to distribute commodities. there was a time when foreign aid mint ship loads of USDA commodities instead of billions of dollars .

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That brings to mind another USDA program of old. I used to live in a house on 5 acres that was owned by a blind man in the 1930s-40s USDA set him up raising pigs on that property . I know this would never work now but I bet it worked out better for the old guy than a disability check .
The more I think about it the more I realize how much usda was a part of all Americans lives now it just a source of burdensome regulations for some farmers welfare for other farmers and SNAP WICH IS A FOUR LETTER WORD

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Ill sure take a picture and post it whenever I am able to get to a restaurant that offers it.

At some sonic drive ins, its one of the payment options on the self service screen.


Thanks, that would be appreciated.

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I remember back in the 60's even they had canned meat, evaporated milk,cheese and many other foods available. I am not sure why that was ended but few now days know how to cook compared to back then.
Best I recall that program was ended because it cost so much to operate.
Government paid trucks, drivers, warehouse men, warehouses, distribution facilities, local administrators; there was an industry in commodity transportation and handling that made a ponud of pinto beans cost as much as three pounds of Porterhouse.

Euthanization, eugenics and sterilization of all who fail to meet economic standards is the only solution. Forget all this save the children stuff, they are contributing nothing. Face it in honesty, no one outside of our personal circles of family, religion, or political views should be allowed to reproduce or to influence future society by raising children.
As Jackson said, "Nits make lice" so start by sterilizing all welfare applicants and all their children over the age of twelve. Then euthanize all second time applicants or first time applicants over the age of forty. Set a "poverty level of 100,000 and limit anyone under that level to only one child or two children with IQ levels of 140 or greater.
Reevaluate every five years to determine if adjustments are needed.
Exempt all redheaded people from the controls programs, redheads are to be the most desirable future genetic marker.


This idea is as radical as the idea to encourage people that cannot support themselves or their offspring to produce more offspring ( mentally disabled do to drug or alcohol abuse even more lucrative) by making these offspring an economic asset; while making the offspring of people who can support themselves and their offspring an economic liability. The result being more and more less capable human beings. The difference is one is happening. smile

P.S. "From each according to his ability to each according to his needs."

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I notice a trend that this thread (that has political undertones) has 8 pages while the NBC news thread concerning black American gun ownership lasted less than 15 minutes. It's a tall order to try insulate any endeavor from politics. It permeates every aspect of our lives. However, that fact is a blessing. Not many generations ago we weren't afforded the grace because those that came before buckled for their dust.

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EBT is a very abused program bought and sold for .20 on the dollar cash to buy drugs and alcohol~


That's the main reason for changing it. There have been recipients in our area caught doing exactly that. I would like to see drug testing to qualify for any of these welfare programs too.


If you rob a bank in a Sanctuary City, is it illegal or is it just an Undocumented Withdrawal?
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EBT is a very abused program bought and sold for .20 on the dollar cash to buy drugs and alcohol~


That's the main reason for changing it. There have been recipients in our area caught doing exactly that. I would like to see drug testing to qualify for any of these welfare programs too.


So, a positive to qualify? It's an illness like a disability.


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EBT is a very abused program bought and sold for .20 on the dollar cash to buy drugs and alcohol~


That's the main reason for changing it. There have been recipients in our area caught doing exactly that. I would like to see drug testing to qualify for any of these welfare programs too.


What would be the net gain after the expense of administrating the whiz quiz?

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It's an illness brought on by a choice same as alcoholism. Diabetes is an example of a true illness not brought on by a choice. I have no problem giving drug users food, but no benefits that can be bartered for money if they're collecting welfare benefits.


If you rob a bank in a Sanctuary City, is it illegal or is it just an Undocumented Withdrawal?
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A computer card can be set to purchase only certain products, no? It can be delivered without a freight company, it doesn't get fed to hogs being fattened for market, it can be used only with a photo ID if so required by the issuer.
Electronics can tell all the details about every use of a card, the best excuse for changing to some other form of assistance is to make the fraud easier.

It may well be that the current program needs some tweeks but a food delivery program cannot be monitored at all. May as well just hand the cash to the program manager and forget the poor folks.

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We are rewarding irresponsible behavior. How can anyone act surprised it has run amok??????????????????????


Ban private vehicles now. They are killing too much wildlife and too many children.
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We are rewarding irresponsible behavior. How can anyone act surprised it has run amok??????????????????????


It will be o.k. since we punish responsible behavior. smile


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A USDA spokesman said Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue himself came up with the idea for the food boxes, which had never been discussed during dozens of committee hearings on food stamps over the past three years.


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There are not enough jobs for everyone in this country. There are some hard working people that need a little extra help to get by.


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Yeah, never saw what happened on that thread?

Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
I notice a trend that this thread (that has political undertones) has 8 pages while the NBC news thread concerning black American gun ownership lasted less than 15 minutes. It's a tall order to try insulate any endeavor from politics. It permeates every aspect of our lives. However, that fact is a blessing. Not many generations ago we weren't afforded the grace because those that came before buckled for their dust.


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: Aix sponsa] #6158067
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read the facts here:

https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items

Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa
Originally Posted By: Tweed
They don't work in restaurants.

Would you like to see SNAP have similar restriction as WIC?



Yes, they do. Ive seen it with my own eyes and have taken a picture of it. I dont want to go through thousands of pictures to find it, but Ill sure take a picture and post it whenever I am able to get to a restaurant that offers it.


At some sonic drive ins, its one of the payment options on the self service screen.


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Originally Posted By: Teallbrook
There are not enough jobs for everyone in this country. There are some hard working people that need a little extra help to get by.
So all the system users can be put to work delivering food packages to all the other users. Zero unemployment, every one gets a package of food and it might only cost 10-12 times more money. Make every body a winner.

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Always some body trying to introduce facts into a purely emotional and anecdotal discussion.
Originally Posted By: lebowski
read the facts here:

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Sonny Perdue would send you a couple chickens, a Chinese made pot to bo8l it in and some free gas from the Indian molested pipeline to cook it with.

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WIC
An amendment to section 17 of the Child Nutrition Act of 1966 on September 26, 1972.[3] The legislation (P.L. 92-433, sponsored by Senator Hubert Humphrey (D) of Minnesota) established the Special Supplemental Food Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) as a two-year pilot program. Eligibility was limited to children up to age 4 and excluded non-breastfeeding postpartum women.


The basic eligibility requirement is a family income below 185% of the federal poverty level

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Why does fed.gov need to know our income amount?

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If Im starvin or nibbling at the live hog, what business of them is it...really?

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I'd like to see it be starvation as a Township boars issue.

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Board, not boars, though I'd eat one if hunger knocked.

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There are not enough jobs for everyone in this country. There are some hard working people that need a little extra help to get by.


I can pee over the moon if I drink a case of beer


Ban private vehicles now. They are killing too much wildlife and too many children.
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There are jobs every where, they only pay 10 to 12 an hour to start so they would have to have two of them.

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A ten or 12 dollar job will double pretty fast if you just show up every day and work hard. If it doesn't, only stay till you find one that will. Everybody I ever met in my life whining about no work or low pay didn't do those two simple things. Show up on time every day and work hard. Most of them spend a lot of time telling all their co-workers how dumb the boss is.


Ban private vehicles now. They are killing too much wildlife and too many children.
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I agree Danny, having been self employed for 25 years and having up to 30 employees at a time I have alot of experience. I've had people work long enough to buy a new phone or once trained in and are expected to actually do something they quit. The work ethic is in the crapper right now because there are so many safety nets people just don't care.

Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: Drifter] #6158243
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I remember the commodity program,My grandpa took a neighbor who was very poor each month to get their commodities.He gave us some of the cheese,It was quite good.


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One word, Walmart !!

The very reason this whole idea of boxed food will never fly. Walmart, if I remember right the largest benefactor of the food stamp program in America. Now toss in all the other grocery chains, and lets not forget the SNAP program is funded via the farm bill, and now put into the mix the manufacturing sector, and you have an idea dead on arrival.

Now with all that said the people that will determine what goes down could care less about you religious ideas, or your views upon personal character, nope that matters not squat. What matters is who will get the green $$$. Trump thought immigration, and taxes was hard, just screw with someone's food, that is a whole new type of crazy.

RTT


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: Teallbrook] #6158384
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Originally Posted By: Teallbrook
There are not enough jobs for everyone in this country. There are some hard working people that need a little extra help to get by.



And what are you doing to help them ?

It's easy to be compassionate with other people's money


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: Rat Masterson] #6158387
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Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
I agree Danny, having been self employed for 25 years and having up to 30 employees at a time I have alot of experience. I've had people work long enough to buy a new phone or once trained in and are expected to actually do something they quit. The work ethic is in the crapper right now because there are so many safety nets people just don't care.



X2 .......all necessities are met by someone else ..........they just need to work enough for some spending money


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: Trapper7] #6158392
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It's an illness brought on by a choice same as alcoholism. Diabetes is an example of a true illness not brought on by a choice. I have no problem giving drug users food, but no benefits that can be bartered for money if they're collecting welfare benefits.


Apparently you are talking about type1 diabetes. How much exercise a person gets, what they eat and when they get up from the table are lifestyle choices.

For a type2 lifestyle choices has a dramatic effect on their health.


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Re: Food deliveries to replace Food Stamps [Re: ringtailtrapper] #6158471
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nailed it!

Originally Posted By: ringtailtrapper
One word, Walmart !!

The very reason this whole idea of boxed food will never fly. Walmart, if I remember right the largest benefactor of the food stamp program in America. Now toss in all the other grocery chains, and lets not forget the SNAP program is funded via the farm bill, and now put into the mix the manufacturing sector, and you have an idea dead on arrival.

Now with all that said the people that will determine what goes down could care less about you religious ideas, or your views upon personal character, nope that matters not squat. What matters is who will get the green $$$. Trump thought immigration, and taxes was hard, just screw with someone's food, that is a whole new type of crazy.

RTT


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Life aint easy. Even a rich man has to get himself out of bed in the morning to keep his riches working for him. We have bred a society that expects (and gets) taken care of by not getting out of bed.
Every rich family started out poor but got out of bed and worked to improve themselves. We can tax a rich man until there is no incentive to keep going anymore. The grabbers can take everything hes got but he will still be able to raise a garden and take care of himself. The "poor" will still expect him to feed them out of his garden.
Our country is standing in a bucket and trying to lift itself up by the handle but there is too much dead weight.
People give millions to charities (above and beyond the taxes they pay) yet the majority of the money is skimmed off the top for "administration".
Its human nature....half the people get satisfaction from working and doing a job successfully, and the other half start screaming because he has more than them. So here we are.....


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There are many folks on Social Security who would love to work for xtra money but the Govt wont allow it...meanwhile businesses are needing help.


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Keep in mind that many on disability are there because doctors wont release them to work because they're protecting themselves from lawsuits.


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Lawyers just waiting to sue someone.....


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You can work when on SS which is different than SS disability. I know a guy that's on disability that traps full time.

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Many on disability are on medication and get along fine. But, let them have an accident and here comes the lawyers!


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You can work on SS Disability also.


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Originally Posted By: Hydropillar
maybe trump will be like regan and give out some gubermint cheese :}... that was some good stuff had grill cheese n mater soup for long time... dang i miss them days


That was good cheese, had it growing up sometimes. They always handed out alot of rice and other items as well.


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You can work on SS Disability also.

Yes, but if you earn $100, they take away $100.
Probly depending on how much you receive.


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Originally Posted By: Tweed
Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa


Ill sure take a picture and post it whenever I am able to get to a restaurant that offers it.

At some sonic drive ins, its one of the payment options on the self service screen.


Thanks, that would be appreciated.



I finally made it to that town-Eunice, Louisiana. Their sonic drive in has changed the way you pay. In the past, there was a small, green screen next to a slot for inserting your card. The screen said

Credit Card>
Debit Card>
EBT>


That entire screen/slot has been removed and replaced by a black cover. Now, the slot is in the center, and the payment options are touch screen.

I am telling you that EBT was listed there for a while, at least a year. It just isnt there now. It WAS there.





Besides, if they let them buy all the junk food, fried pork fat, and sodas they want, they might as well let them buy anything from anywhere,

Just wanted to let you know that I did go look so I could give you an update. Cya


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As to eugenics, people can be genetically improved, by selective breeding. It's a true fact that makes almost all of us uncomfortable. The wrong people have most of the children in our society. [quote]


Like a Farmer Breeding his best Cow to the best Bull he can get.

Oh, yeah, that will go over well in the USA crazy shocked

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There are many folks on Social Security who would love to work for xtra money but the Govt wont allow it...meanwhile businesses are needing help.


I don't believe your comment is factually correct.

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Originally Posted By: Gary Benson
Originally Posted By: Teallbrook
You can work on SS Disability also.

Yes, but if you earn $100, they take away $100.
Probly depending on how much you receive.


Here is some reading on how much a person can earn while on SS.


https://finance.zacks.com/much-can-retir...efits-6767.html

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Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa
Originally Posted By: Tweed
[quote=Aix sponsa]

Ill sure take a picture and post it whenever I am able to get to a restaurant that offers it.

At some sonic drive ins, its one of the payment options on the self service screen.


Thanks, that would be appreciated.



At face value, this seems messed up, but consider this:

If someone wants to have a hamburger, they will buy (for example) ground meat, rolls, lettuce, tomato, and ketchup. Vegetables are expensive and cannot be stored too long, so it can be cost prohibitive buy them.

It might actually more economical and healthier to buy a burger at fast food place!

Another thing:

A friend had a baby and she discovered her husband was a closet addict and was self-destructing. She took baby and moved to get out of the situation . She was using WIC and day care benefit. She had a very strong work ethic, but only made a little more than minimum wage. She had an opportunity to pick up some overtime and did. She went to her welfare appointment and they told her that she made too much money and she was loosing her childcare benefit.

She said this was because someone called off and she picked up extra hours. If she lost this benefit, she wouldn't be able to work at all because she had no support. The case worker cut her some slack and told her NOT to work extra hours or it would be lost in the future. So an extra one-time $50 almost caused her to loose this huge benefit!

The system does not allow people to get "ahead." I am not saying luxury items, just improve their standard of living, like getting a microwave or a chair for the living room.

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We need to try Milton Friedmans negative Income Tax idea.

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Remeber that we are a cunsumption based economy. Cut the food stamps and a domino effect will run through the economy.

The funny thing is nobody bat's an eye at QE,Bank bailout's,etc.. The banker can get a multi million dollar bonus at the tax payer's expense but that low wage worker better not get a couple hundred in food stamps ! wink

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Don't know how many times I've been approached by somebody in the grocery offering to pay for MY goods with THEIR food stamps in exchange for cash.


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The whole system is flawed. It has created a group of individuals (some may say generation) who expect things to be given to them for free. The government programs which benefit the poor are beneficial, as long as they try. A program should be instituted to give something back for the benefits received. For example, go pick up trash for a day or volunteer for something. WIC is a good program as it gives limits to what can be received. It only pays for nutritional items and is not like SNAP benefits where any food item can be bought. Some people get astronomical amounts of SNAP benefits to spend on any food item. The government says they cannot place restrictions on items because it would increase the cost of the program. People have come to expect things given to them. Our majority population is taking this attitude which presents the political side. This part of society is going to vote for whoever promises the most "free stuff" causing a vicious cycle.

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