Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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It may very well be a mental health issue. That said, something needs to be done about how easy it is for sick people to get these weapons. Was there no mental illness when we were kids? Everyone had guns. I shot sparrows out of the bus barn at the school with a .22 with bird shot and rode the mower with dad there and shot ground squirrels with a .410 off it! Every one had guns in the truck in the parking lot and there were no school shootings!!! Not mention that it was easier to get guns at that time as well! However ADC you can provide all the facts and they(liberals) will continue to ignore tham and say it is a gun issue. You can not reason with them.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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Gun turn in laws passed in Australia in a very short time after one too many mass shootings.
I do not trust any politician with my gun rights.
In the end we need to Just Say No.....if it comes to that.
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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I did some minor research last night, the murder rate in 1970 was the same as it was in 2017, approx 17,000 murders nationwide, the population in 1970 was just under 180 million people and now we have 320+ million. Looking at the math I think we have improved a lot in the last 47 years, but then we have the change in demographics of the murderers, today kids do most of the murdering whether it is gangs or school shootings. The FBI has some interesting numbers if you look them up, they break down murders by every thinkable stat from race to sex to the type of weapon used. Even with the uptick in murders involving the AR15 rifle there is still on average about 300 rifle murders a year, around 400 done with shotguns, the vast majority of gun murders are committed with handguns and the bulk of them are gang/drug related. Some 3000 white people are murdered with the vast majority being killed by white people and about 400 whites murdered by blacks and the same goes for black people murdered, mostly by black people with about 200 murdered by white people. By state is the real clincher, Commiefornia leads the pack with nearly 2000 murders a year followed by Texas with around 1500 a year, most other states have rates under 500 a year, MN had 122 murders in 2017, last year saw nearly a 20% increase in murder rate from 2016 and the FBI says that Chitcago is responsible for nearly all of that 20% jump and cities like Detroit follow closely. Detroit interestingly enough was under Democrat rule for over 40 years straight and saw its beauty and wealth diminish under that leadership, of course now they are blaming the Republican governor.
People will always murder other people, that is just the way it is and it will never change, taking away all the guns or even some of the guns will not change human behavior, it will just make murdering quieter and easier. The single biggest change that could be made to deter murder is to punish those responsible quickly and harshly, capitol punishment needs to be reinstated and used in all 50 states period. The courts need to actually follow the laws instead of making up arbitrary arguments for suplantingthe laws and filling in that void with their own feelings.
Break the law and get punished, show others that the punishmentis harsh and ireversable and they will think twice before murdering other people, it will not stop all murders but it will stop a lot more than any gun control measure will.
Mark Skokan, Buffalo MN.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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Excited to take my AR out this weekend for some coyote hunting. First time since PA made the law. Can’t wait!
It’s a long road to wisdom. It’s a short one to being ignored.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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It may very well be a mental health issue. That said, something needs to be done about how easy it is for sick people to get these weapons. Was there no mental illness when we were kids? Everyone had guns. I shot sparrows out of the bus barn at the school with a .22 with bird shot and rode the mower with dad there and shot ground squirrels with a .410 off it! Every one had guns in the truck in the parking lot and there were no school shootings!!! Its not that there wasn't any school shootings, there just wasn't an internet and cell phones to spread the news like wildfire. The mass media tries to make up believe that we have a problem with rampant murder, but we don't. In truth, less than 0.001% of Americans are murdered with a gun each year. That's per the published Center for Disease Control statistics. When was the last time you lost sleep because there was a 0.001% chance of something happening? Simple fact is there is a long list of dangers far more likely to happen to a kid than getting shot. The sky is not falling.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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The single biggest change that could be made to deter murder is to punish those responsible quickly and harshly, capitol punishment needs to be reinstated and used in all 50 states period. The courts need to actually follow the laws instead of making up arbitrary arguments for suplantingthe laws and filling in that void with their own feelings.
Break the law and get punished, show others that the punishmentis harsh and ireversable and they will think twice before murdering other people, it will not stop all murders but it will stop a lot more than any gun control measure will.
I disagree with this, not that I'm against capital punishment, but there are things we can do to deter murder that would be much more effective. One is provide mental healthcare. The other is reduce the class divide in a way that elevates more people from poverty. Financial hardship is a common stress factor leading to the mental breakdowns that end in violence.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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FYI - AR's are already illegal for those of us stuck in Massachusetts. We're also the only state to make bump stocks and trigger cranks illegal. I just received my letter telling met to turn them in if I have them. I feel so much safer now. I'd move if I could.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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The guns in the pic from top to bottom look like a 22,a shotgun,another shotgun,semi auto with a scary black stock handle and a big arse mag,a handgun,and on bottom a high power hunting rifle.Cant tell the one on the left.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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The guns in the pic from top to bottom look like a 22,a shotgun,another shotgun,semi auto with a scary black stock handle and a big arse mag,a handgun,and on bottom a high power hunting rifle.Cant tell the one on the left. x2 Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
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Re: Are AR-15s the next Bump Stock?
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Another point that I believe needs clearing up is that fact that an AR 15 IS NOT a “military” “assault style rifle”. AR does not stand for “assault rifle”. It is an abbreviation for Armalite, the company that created the AR 15. What we as civilians buy at our local gun shop are not military style AR’s just because they look the same. They aren’t full auto and they aren’t 3 round burst. People need to get off the whole AR’s are causing the high number of casualties. They are more commonly involved in these shootings because they are the most popularizes. Do you think somebody couldn’t do the same damage with a Mini 14? You never hear about anyone using one of those. It’s because they aren’t as popular in the mainstream media. They don’t look as mean, and they are more difficult demonize because of that. My .02. WELLL actually they ARE military STYLE . Just not ALL the functions as the military version. Plus Joe public has made them popular not necessarily the media. Popularity comes from the number sold and / or manufactured. Don't see as many of the mini 14 sold in gun shops. Just saying.....
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