Re: Mass shooting prevention
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I would think that keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people would be a start.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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02/16/18 08:50 PM
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Why restrict children's access to weapons? My daughter has full access so if someone breaks in when she is home alone she has the ability to take out the perp. Back in the day dang near every high school boy had a gun in their truck on campus. If some wacko would have pulled crap like this he would have most likely been taken out in short order. Got to eliminate these free fire zones and like Charlie said allow people to shoot back.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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Will never stop until they make schools gun friendly areas and not gun free areas. If gun free is such a great idea make court rooms gun free, not the police or anyone carries.
But the mass shootings will never end until there is armed security in schools, employ veterans? Off duty police? Arm the teachers. However you do it then this ignorance and violence will end.
Second, make it illegal to prescribe mood altering psychotropic meds to kids.
Suppression rules/prevention drools
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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Why restrict children's access to weapons? My daughter has full access so if someone breaks in when she is home alone she has the ability to take out the perp. Back in the day dang near every high school boy had a gun in their truck on campus. If some wacko would have pulled crap like this he would have most likely been taken out in short order. Got to eliminate these free fire zones and like Charlie said allow people to shoot back. Same thing for accessible weapons as with background checks not mandatory but your beld libal if something happens with your firearm. You still get to make the choice for yourself and house hold however should something happen set pecialties for not controlling access to your firearms. I mean criminally and financially
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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02/16/18 11:44 PM
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I don't see the connection to liberals. If that was the case places like Sweden wouldn't have any schoolkids left.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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I don't see the connection to liberals. If that was the case places like Sweden wouldn't have any schoolkids left. Blaming liberals for everything is a form of mental illness.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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02/17/18 12:04 AM
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What i don’t understand is i hear so much about using retired police, retired military, and arm the teachers, etc. While i don’t have a problem with a teacher carrying a gun i don’t feel it is their responsibility, it’s also not the responsibility for folks that are retired. After all, they are retired. They served their time and it’s their opportunity to enjoy their life and not work. People pay taxes, use the money and protect our children, ( although it’s looking like LE really dropped the ball on this last shooting on our dime). The govt requires your children to go to school but they don’t feel obligated enough to protect them while their there, explain that.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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WHAT CAUSES THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS??????? When people go back to parenting their children instead of keeping them drugged to control bad behavior, maybe then the number of these shootings will drop. When I was a child we didn't get drugs when we did something wrong we were punished. And I don't want to hear "they won't let me correct my kids". You don't have to beat a child to teach them right from wrong.
But Prozac, Zoloft and Luvox are not the answer. Just a few examples.
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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WHAT CAUSES THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS??????? When people go back to parenting their children instead of keeping them drugged to control bad behavior, maybe then the number of these shootings will drop. When I was a child we didn't get drugs when we did something wrong we were punished. And I don't want to hear "they won't let me correct my kids". You don't have to beat a child to teach them right from wrong.
But Prozac, Zoloft and Luvox are not the answer. Just a few examples.
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Ok so you propose that the meds are the cause. Can you prove that or just create a correlation? Who is to say that the mental instability that lead these young people to the doctors that prescribed the mess didn’t cause the behavior. Basing beliefs on loose correlations is dangerous. Example. The more churches a community has the more incidents of violence in that community. This is a fact. However when you look closer larger cities have more church’s thus more people and more violent acts. It’s has nothing to do with the church’s. Kids have been on Ritalin since I was in school in the 70’s and things weren’t getting shot up.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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02/17/18 12:54 AM
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yes and also there are a lot of unanswered questions yet
how did the shooter gain access to a school wearing a gas mask and weapons , when he had been expelled
why didn't the FBI take reports seriously
why didn't the school secure it's building
there is some definite negligence on the schools part for not having a secure building or someone let the shooter in in which case there can be 2 trials for 17 counts of murder.
survalence video should clear up many of these questions , and if no such video exists , that in it's self is a liability.
we have gotten to a time when you secure your building
you cover all the doors with cameras
any good plan starts with creating the barriers to entry to know when an entry is happening , the intelligence to know who and where , then the response
we had the law in the state legislature this year that would have allowed carry on school grounds that would have given people the potential to shoot back .
and everyone should know that it is withing the power of the state legislature to grant that power to CCL holders who have passed a background check
we do not need to wait for some federal law to change , federal gun free school zone law does not prohibit the state from granting exceptions to those licensed to carry.
so talk with your state rep and senator , in Wis it was SB169. We have that bill going through congress right now. I believe it will pass. Rather than rely on the federal government to solve the problem, what about leaving it to the local level of government? If a local school district wants to pay for armed guards in the schools, and tax the property owners accordingly, why aren't they already free to do so? Jim
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