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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: tjm] #6160715
02/17/18 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: tjm
One room school and voluntary education has never attracted any mass killings that I'm aware of.

Compulsory attendance and consolidated schools are a large part of the socialist design of a new world. Force the genius to learn at the same rate and level of an imbecile and give both equal honors.

The school I have the most memories of was actually three rooms, 1-4, 5--8 and a lunch room. Had about forty five students at the time. But Mama taught in a couple of one room schools.



other than the guy who shot up the Amish school.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6160717
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Crazy people have been around forever!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: walleye101] #6160726
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Originally Posted By: walleye101
Originally Posted By: keystone


I agree this would be better handled through state and local govt, but i also feel like the federal govt has forced its way into the public school systems so much that they shouldn’t be able to get out of this. They wanna be the boss until it cost money!


Keystone,
Where do people get the silly idea that the federal government can pay for anything? The federal government does not have money, they use yours and mine to pay for things, so federal funding just comes from a different one of our pockets than state and local.


I get the silly idea the govt can pay for things because i happen to make my share of donations to them. I would much rather my tax dollars be used to protect innocent children at schools from being gunned down for no reason at all than pay for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants welfare and healthcare. The money is there, our govt is just to stupid to spend it wisely!! I just saw an article about a woman with 15 kids by 5 or 6 different fathers. That’s where our tax dollars are waisted, could you imagine how much the total bill would be to have 10 kids at a hospital, the food, the healthcare, the housing, the utilities, etc. That woman should have been fixed when she had her first kid on welfare.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6160778
02/17/18 04:23 PM
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keystone I think walleye's point was why send your tax dollars all the way to DC to be doled out?

Wouldn't you rather spend your money locally to benefit your local school in a manner that seems fit to you?

Mike


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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Mike in A-town] #6160882
02/17/18 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
keystone I think walleye's point was why send your tax dollars all the way to DC to be doled out?

Wouldn't you rather spend your money locally to benefit your local school in a manner that seems fit to you?

Mike


I would rather spend my money locally but the money is already being sent to DC. That’s my point, the money is already there, they are just terrible at distributing it. These school shootings are a sore subject for me, the solution is so simple yet the system makes it so complicated. GUN FREE ZONES ARE SET UP FOR KILLERS, it seems that even local and state govt can’t figure that out.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6160948
02/17/18 07:26 PM
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Tragedy like these always bring out the foot stompers who think making more rules or having more government involved will fix things, it has not yet and will not later on.

This country does not live a century ago but likes to think it can. People need to get up to speed with whats going on around them and pay more attention to those around them and their kids.

This Cruz kid had 30 or so flags raised and all were ignored for one reason or another, now the law is going back over everyone of them to, they feel escape blame, by making others the cause of it. Hows that make y'all feel, I don't like reading about pass the buck playing !

Mental problems with others flagging them need more help, than schools need more security !


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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: keystone] #6160972
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Originally Posted By: keystone
Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
keystone I think walleye's point was why send your tax dollars all the way to DC to be doled out?

Wouldn't you rather spend your money locally to benefit your local school in a manner that seems fit to you?

Mike


I would rather spend my money locally but the money is already being sent to DC. That’s my point, the money is already there, they are just terrible at distributing it. These school shootings are a sore subject for me, the solution is so simple yet the system makes it so complicated. GUN FREE ZONES ARE SET UP FOR KILLERS, it seems that even local and state govt can’t figure that out.


Perhaps we need that money to stop going to DC... And local schools should tell the feds to soak their heads and take a serious look at rescinding the "gun free zone" mandate.

Mike


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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6160973
02/17/18 07:51 PM
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Media is really going all out on this along with the anti-gun sell outs. Lots of good true memes coming out too just ashame the media can get away with the fake news they put out there and nothing happens to them!



Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6160992
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Our small community school which has a attendance of about 200 in the high school and 400 in the elementary school has all doors locked down during the day and you have to ring a buzzer and identify yourself and reason for being there. And we also have a resource officer at each school

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6161004
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Students have to get on the bus at the end of the day, thats when the shooter entered and pulled fire alarm. Authorities were warned about this disturbed sob, and did nothing....but what can you really do? This kid was an adult, they could of locked him up, but what could they do to a minor other than expel them, they cant arrest him.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6161020
02/17/18 08:55 PM
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I agree with a lot of what Grit Guy said. To me, saying the govt. Should install metal detectors at schools is ludicrous. This is a district matter. The school districts should pay for it but, metal detectors, resource officers, lifting bans in school zones, arming teachers. These are not going to prevent the shootings. These are deterent measures not prevention measures. This country has become so freaking politically correct it's sickening. How many people said this kid was not right, he was a little off. The signs were all there but no one stepped up to call him out and the FBI didn't follow up.

The prevention starts at home. It's not the freakin video games making these kids do these things for crying out loud. It's parents not knowing their kids and other folks afraid of confronting an individual that might need mental help for fear of being sued or getting backlash from parents or guardians for saying their child may have an issue. For the folks that think doing away with guns will be the answer, no. Knives, broken glass, hammer, poison, bombs ......etc. Everyone had those certain individuals in school that stayed by themselves, didn't have many if any friends, were loners. How many people actually made the effort to go up and talk to those individuals? May have made a huge difference in their lives if we would have.


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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6161021
02/17/18 08:58 PM
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Federal Buildings, Court Houses, AirPorts and all kinds of ''Gun free Zones'' have armed guards there on site , to enforce this.......and are not actually 'Gun Free' at all...

We just might have to have such protection now days, after all, we trust the schools to teach our children, we should think about letting them protect them, on site. Not a scanned or frisked kind of security, but an armed presence.
Most crime deterd by guns actually never have a shot fired, its presence is the determining factor.

If they are (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) bent on killing , NOTHING , but another armed citizen will stop such.

Its a harsh reality, but 'Gun Free' actualy means 'Kill Zone' now days.

More laws help nothing.

Murder has been illegal for a long time now.


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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6161036
02/17/18 09:07 PM
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A lot of local LE agencies in Maine came out in opposition of our "Constitutional Carry" fearing a return to wild west shootouts. The law has been in place for two or three years now and their fears have not materialized.

There's a movement underway in our state legislature to allow folks who CC to carry their firearms onto school grounds when dropping off or picking up their children. To meet the protests of the anti-gun crowd, the firearm would have to be unloaded and in a locked case. Even at that there remains opposition.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6161049
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Kansas law allows licensed ccl holders to have their firearm in a gun free school zone on them and loaded.


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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Marty] #6161052
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Kansas law allows licensed ccl holders to have their firearm in a gun free school zone on them and loaded.


And that's as it should be.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6161058
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We also have constitutional concealed carry but unlicensed carriers are not exempt from the gun free school zone laws.

I am really not sure about the colleges.....but I think you can carry in the state college buildings. I really need to find out about that.....Guess I will call a retired captain from the KUPD on Monday and ask.

Anyway....gun free zones = feel free to kill folks zones.

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I ignore any gun buster signs on businesses anymore.......Kansas law is clear that its only a misdemeanor trespass charge if you do not leave if asked to. But then there is the Post office.....plus I hike/hunt on ACOE ground a lot..the Corps is pretty anti gun.


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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Marty] #6161075
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Originally Posted By: Marty
Anyway....gun free zones = feel free to kill folks zones.

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I ignore any gun buster signs on businesses anymore.......


I'm a threat to no one who isn't a threat to me.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6161109
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Do you guys remember school... School is the best time of your life or the worst....
The amount of kids that have an awful home life is extreme!
This with the violent video games and ridicule from peers is a recipe for disaster.
It all starts at home with parenting...... And this is my figure but 40% of parents are effective parents.

The other 60% dont care...... Kids at school mean they are not at home, if a kid has home work the parent should help them do it.
Parents dont care........to many crack head, lazy, welfare mongrels to give a poop.

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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Mike in A-town] #6161115
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[/quote]

Perhaps we need that money to stop going to DC... And local schools should tell the feds to soak their heads and take a serious look at rescinding the "gun free zone" mandate.

Mike [/quote]

I agree 100% if you remember in the primaries Trump was campaigning to give back the schools to the states. I haven’t heard a word about that since the primaries.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6161127
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Trump was campaigning for private and charter schools, he doesn't care about public schools... And i willing to bet most of us on here cant pay 10,000 to 15,000 a year to send our kid to private school. Trump hired Betsy da (female dog) (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) to take all the money she could from the public school system to charter schools.

I voted for trump, to help the middle class, but. His view on education stinks....take money from public schools to give it to charter stinks for the middle class that cant afford it....caterers to the rich....how many rural communities dont even have a darn private school in 60 miles, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)....

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