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Mass shooting prevention #6159761
02/16/18 04:42 PM
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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159767
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Yup. The difference between a mass shooting and a single or attempted shooting, is the preparation of the intended victims.


Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Boco couldn't catch a cold.

But if he did, it would be Top Lot.
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159788
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I would like to see the issue of school shootings solved on a local level. Local school systems are where the responsibility lies in providing on-site deterrents. We can protect the people who work in our courthouses via armed guards and x ray machines checking every person who enters. We can protect those who fly commercial airlines. We can protect workplaces and the folks who work there (I had to go through explosive and metal detectors at work for 30 years). Yet we cannot or will not protect our greatest resource, our children.

By trying to solve the issue on a federal level we limit the ideas, methods, and means to that which congress and the president will agree on. Instead, let's have more people involved finding and implementing solutions that fit their particular situation. Continuing in the mindset that we need a national solution is leaving our children at risk. Local leaders need to step up and say "not at my school," and take the actions necessary to protect the children in their school(s).

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159791
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18 school shooting so far this year, and we are only half way through February.


Glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159797
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yes and also there are a lot of unanswered questions yet

how did the shooter gain access to a school wearing a gas mask and weapons , when he had been expelled

why didn't the FBI take reports seriously

why didn't the school secure it's building

there is some definite negligence on the schools part for not having a secure building or someone let the shooter in in which case there can be 2 trials for 17 counts of murder.

survalence video should clear up many of these questions , and if no such video exists , that in it's self is a liability.

we have gotten to a time when you secure your building

you cover all the doors with cameras



any good plan starts with creating the barriers to entry to know when an entry is happening , the intelligence to know who and where , then the response

we had the law in the state legislature this year that would have allowed carry on school grounds that would have given people the potential to shoot back .

and everyone should know that it is withing the power of the state legislature to grant that power to CCL holders who have passed a background check

we do not need to wait for some federal law to change , federal gun free school zone law does not prohibit the state from granting exceptions to those licensed to carry.

so talk with your state rep and senator , in Wis it was SB169.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159802
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Some believe the answer is to ban "assault rifles."

How do you go about doing that?

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Teallbrook] #6159803
02/16/18 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: Teallbrook
18 school shooting so far this year, and we are only half way through February.


Got a link for all 18 of those?

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159806
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159807
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One is one too many


"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: lebowski] #6159815
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Thank you. Much as I suspected.

A little more info behind those stats...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/343100002

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: lebowski] #6159816
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Originally Posted By: lebowski
One is one too many


Don't disagree.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: EdP] #6159822
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I am right there with you!

It takes money, tax dollars. Our local district has one resource officer for 5 buildings. 20% of time at each building on average. Would be great to have a couple at each building, adding funding for 9 new officers in our district alone. Going to take budget prioritization and changes to make this reality.

Things have to change and it can't be a single prong approach...I think this young man who survived yesterdays shooting summed it up well:

"Why? Because at the end of the day, the students at my school felt one shared experience -- our politicians abandoned us by failing to keep guns out of schools.
But this time, my classmates and I are going to hold them to account. This time we are going to pressure them to take action."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/opinions/florida-shooting-no-more-opinion-kasky/index.html

Originally Posted By: EdP
I would like to see the issue of school shootings solved on a local level. Local school systems are where the responsibility lies in providing on-site deterrents. We can protect the people who work in our courthouses via armed guards and x ray machines checking every person who enters. We can protect those who fly commercial airlines. We can protect workplaces and the folks who work there (I had to go through explosive and metal detectors at work for 30 years). Yet we cannot or will not protect our greatest resource, our children.

By trying to solve the issue on a federal level we limit the ideas, methods, and means to that which congress and the president will agree on. Instead, let's have more people involved finding and implementing solutions that fit their particular situation. Continuing in the mindset that we need a national solution is leaving our children at risk. Local leaders need to step up and say "not at my school," and take the actions necessary to protect the children in their school(s).

Last edited by lebowski; 02/16/18 05:54 PM.

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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: lebowski] #6159829
02/16/18 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: lebowski
One is one too many


Typical unrealistic goal. How many freedoms you going to restrict and how much money you going to spend to never achieve this?


Who is John Galt?
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #6159838
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Originally Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
yes and also there are a lot of unanswered questions yet

how did the shooter gain access to a school wearing a gas mask and weapons , when he had been expelled

why didn't the FBI take reports seriously

why didn't the school secure it's building

there is some definite negligence on the schools part for not having a secure building or someone let the shooter in in which case there can be 2 trials for 17 counts of murder.

survalence video should clear up many of these questions , and if no such video exists , that in it's self is a liability.

we have gotten to a time when you secure your building

you cover all the doors with cameras



any good plan starts with creating the barriers to entry to know when an entry is happening , the intelligence to know who and where , then the response

we had the law in the state legislature this year that would have allowed carry on school grounds that would have given people the potential to shoot back .

and everyone should know that it is withing the power of the state legislature to grant that power to CCL holders who have passed a background check

we do not need to wait for some federal law to change , federal gun free school zone law does not prohibit the state from granting exceptions to those licensed to carry.

so talk with your state rep and senator , in Wis it was SB169.


We have that bill going through congress right now. I believe it will pass.


~~Proud Ultra MAGA~~
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Dirt] #6159839
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Originally Posted By: Dirt
Originally Posted By: lebowski
One is one too many


Typical unrealistic goal. How many freedoms you going to restrict and how much money you going to spend to never achieve this?


I agree with his sentiment... Kids shouldn't be shot at school.

But I also agree that it is a sentiment. And not a realistic one. Nor is there a practical way to make it a reality.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Dirt] #6159844
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Originally Posted By: Dirt
Originally Posted By: lebowski
One is one too many


Typical unrealistic goal. How many freedoms you going to restrict and how much money you going to spend to never achieve this?


That is always the big question.


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Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: lebowski] #6159851
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Good link. Typical fake news to further an agenda.

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If ever there was a shooter that could have been stopped days before the shooting it was this one, LE epically failed on a local and national level.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159876
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Go door to door, property to property with dogs and confiscate all firearms, ammo and ammo making supplies.

Microchip each student, microchip will open gates that surround the school by 100 yards.

Re: Mass shooting prevention [Re: Fur Hanger] #6159942
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How about some simple things to start

Free back ground checks to any one wanting to buy sell or loan a firearm, with this goes the accountability that if your weapon is used in a crime you are held responsible unless you've done a good faith effort to prevent such. ( notice I didn't say mandatory )
Enforce current laws on straw purchases, felons with guns, children with access to weapons etc.
Minimum sentencing for weapons violations or failing to report proper info to the back ground data bank
Set orders of removal of firearms for certain crimes with time limits for court appearances and penalties for prosecutors/law enforcement actual jail time and $$$ if firearms are lost/ damaged or time limits not meet ( due process set in stone with penalties for government failure )
Nation wide CCW

I know these will cause some up roar, however if done correctly I think some could actually be done.

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