Re: Mass shooting prevention
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02/16/18 04:50 PM
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Yup. The difference between a mass shooting and a single or attempted shooting, is the preparation of the intended victims.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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02/16/18 05:22 PM
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18 school shooting so far this year, and we are only half way through February.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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02/16/18 05:28 PM
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yes and also there are a lot of unanswered questions yet
how did the shooter gain access to a school wearing a gas mask and weapons , when he had been expelled
why didn't the FBI take reports seriously
why didn't the school secure it's building
there is some definite negligence on the schools part for not having a secure building or someone let the shooter in in which case there can be 2 trials for 17 counts of murder.
survalence video should clear up many of these questions , and if no such video exists , that in it's self is a liability.
we have gotten to a time when you secure your building
you cover all the doors with cameras
any good plan starts with creating the barriers to entry to know when an entry is happening , the intelligence to know who and where , then the response
we had the law in the state legislature this year that would have allowed carry on school grounds that would have given people the potential to shoot back .
and everyone should know that it is withing the power of the state legislature to grant that power to CCL holders who have passed a background check
we do not need to wait for some federal law to change , federal gun free school zone law does not prohibit the state from granting exceptions to those licensed to carry.
so talk with your state rep and senator , in Wis it was SB169.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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Some believe the answer is to ban "assault rifles."
How do you go about doing that?
Mike
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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18 school shooting so far this year, and we are only half way through February. Got a link for all 18 of those? Mike
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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I am right there with you! It takes money, tax dollars. Our local district has one resource officer for 5 buildings. 20% of time at each building on average. Would be great to have a couple at each building, adding funding for 9 new officers in our district alone. Going to take budget prioritization and changes to make this reality. Things have to change and it can't be a single prong approach...I think this young man who survived yesterdays shooting summed it up well: "Why? Because at the end of the day, the students at my school felt one shared experience -- our politicians abandoned us by failing to keep guns out of schools. But this time, my classmates and I are going to hold them to account. This time we are going to pressure them to take action." https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/opinions/florida-shooting-no-more-opinion-kasky/index.htmlI would like to see the issue of school shootings solved on a local level. Local school systems are where the responsibility lies in providing on-site deterrents. We can protect the people who work in our courthouses via armed guards and x ray machines checking every person who enters. We can protect those who fly commercial airlines. We can protect workplaces and the folks who work there (I had to go through explosive and metal detectors at work for 30 years). Yet we cannot or will not protect our greatest resource, our children.
By trying to solve the issue on a federal level we limit the ideas, methods, and means to that which congress and the president will agree on. Instead, let's have more people involved finding and implementing solutions that fit their particular situation. Continuing in the mindset that we need a national solution is leaving our children at risk. Local leaders need to step up and say "not at my school," and take the actions necessary to protect the children in their school(s).
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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Typical unrealistic goal. How many freedoms you going to restrict and how much money you going to spend to never achieve this?
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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yes and also there are a lot of unanswered questions yet
how did the shooter gain access to a school wearing a gas mask and weapons , when he had been expelled
why didn't the FBI take reports seriously
why didn't the school secure it's building
there is some definite negligence on the schools part for not having a secure building or someone let the shooter in in which case there can be 2 trials for 17 counts of murder.
survalence video should clear up many of these questions , and if no such video exists , that in it's self is a liability.
we have gotten to a time when you secure your building
you cover all the doors with cameras
any good plan starts with creating the barriers to entry to know when an entry is happening , the intelligence to know who and where , then the response
we had the law in the state legislature this year that would have allowed carry on school grounds that would have given people the potential to shoot back .
and everyone should know that it is withing the power of the state legislature to grant that power to CCL holders who have passed a background check
we do not need to wait for some federal law to change , federal gun free school zone law does not prohibit the state from granting exceptions to those licensed to carry.
so talk with your state rep and senator , in Wis it was SB169. We have that bill going through congress right now. I believe it will pass.
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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Typical unrealistic goal. How many freedoms you going to restrict and how much money you going to spend to never achieve this? I agree with his sentiment... Kids shouldn't be shot at school. But I also agree that it is a sentiment. And not a realistic one. Nor is there a practical way to make it a reality. Mike
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Re: Mass shooting prevention
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Typical unrealistic goal. How many freedoms you going to restrict and how much money you going to spend to never achieve this? That is always the big question.
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