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Urine??? #6160227
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As a successful whitetail bowhunter, I have always been skeptical about using urine. I have never put much faith in estrus/dominant buck/ you name it urine. How long does it smell like it is meant to? Many hunters will say (when we are talking deer) that pee is pee. I have personally peed in mock scrapes that I started with great results. I have been told that after urine is exposed to oxygen it is simply urine. From my experience with deer, I have to agree. Yet......when trapping I have always paid more attention. My question is in the trapping world, how long does bobcat pee smell like bobcat, and coyote smell like coyote? Opinions?

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I don't think it matters much. Good urine, collected right, with sediment ammonia smell and all, whether its bobcat, red fox or coyote, or even a couple different species mixed together, will get coyotes, fox, bobcats to put their nose right on the spot you squirted it. I can tell coyote from red fox from bobcat that's been stored for years. I'm pretty sure animals can tell for a looooooooooooooooooong time. I don't think it matters catch wise.


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In the bottle red fox urine will still smell like a fox many years later, same for coyote. After exposure to air, I don't know if the smells change drastically or not. I do know that other animals can smell where I put a few drops of urine long after it was squirted. Like Danny said the source animal may not matter, cats and coyotes will go to fox urine and vice versa.

I do believe the collection source matters greatly.

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My guess the animals can tell the difference from one species to another. Probably one individual from another for quite awhile. Why else would they use it as a means to mark their territory if the couldn't.

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In regards to deer, its not the urine thats the attractant, its the estrous secretions. The urine is just a carrier. I expect its similar with predator urine also, its the secretions from the anal glands that matter. But for whatever reason, it seems they have a longer “shelf life” than deer estrous secretions.

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How do secretions from the anal glands get in the urine

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They don't yessir. There is probably more flat out lies told in the deer attractant advertising world than there is in the fox coyote bobcat pee ads.


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Re: Urine??? [Re: Rcates] #6160458
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I read an article a while back that stated the estrous components of whitetail doe urine dissipates within 30 seconds after exposure to air.

They must bottle that stuff really fast...lol.


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Re: Urine??? [Re: Yes sir] #6160501
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Originally Posted By: Yes sir
How do secretions from the anal glands get in the urine

I don’t know that they do, obviously with males it’s not possible. I’m just saying that urine in and of itself doesn’t differ much and usng that as an example. Not sure what lies are being referred to. It a biological fact that vaginal secretions are the attractant with ruminants.

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I pretty much quit using urine at all. deer are real plentiful where I trap and they will drive you crazy messing with traps.

i think urine is mainly a curiosity thing anyway. urine is mainly salt.
I have peed on deer scrapes that have basically went dead and the next morning they were pawed clean.

I pretty much think urine is urine is urine. once its on the ground in the open air for awhile its all about the same.

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The way I understand this is that the Anal glands are in the rectum area and every time the animal drops some feces a bit of gland secretion is transferred to the turd leaving some trace DNA marker of that animal.

Urine also leaves its own unique DNA odor marker identifiable by other animals particularly mates and litter mates I am sure. That is how they keep tabs on each other.

Urine is a great attractor in itself by itself.

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Urine carries lots of things other than salts, for example; fatty acids, hormones, uric acids, skin cells, pigments, and mucins, among other things and DNA can be extracted from it; so it is not all exactly the same.
Of course the 95% that is water and the various inorganic ions such as sodium, potassium, chloride, magnesium, calcium, etc. that are common to all urines could be mixed in vat but it is those individual biological components that make a difference.

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I too was - in my eyes only - an accomplished bowhunter. I was told by a wildlife biologist that the biggest smell that warned deer or predators - humans included - was the keytones we emit from the metabolizing of meat.

I decided to give this a test and ate a strict vegetarian diet for a darn long time. Over a month.

It was the worst no th of my life. The difference was noticeable in my opinion but I wasn't doing a real study so I didn't take real good notes.

The big thing I remember was after eating my first steak after having not eaten meat for a month was the smell of my urine afterward. It had a distinct difference in smell.

Worthless info there but....I'm not a vegetarian. Lol.


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I pee in deer scrapes all the time but not if I have drank a pot of coffee.

Like I said I have always used urine trapping but lost faith in using deer urine for anything more than a cover scent. Then I feel silly carrying around 3 species of urine trapping.

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fnt PEE DEFINITELY has a good ammonia smell


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We put little less than half a pint out it sure smelled strong our our sets.


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The urine isn’t the attractant in my opinion. It’s the hormones in the urine. Canines can definitely tell the difference between fox, coyote, wolf, etc. as each has its own distinct scent produced by the genitalia, both male and female, and even individual animals will have slightly different hormone levels causing their scent to be discernible from others. I think it takes a good long while for those hormones to break down to the point they’re no longer detected by a canines nose


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