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Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: 358wsm] #6168284
02/24/18 02:53 AM
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I also accept that todays misread, and my response may well of cost me my going to AK.
There are good men on here that put their trust in me who I am sure are now looking at matters with raised eyebrows.

If I could have seen the post correctly, I would have never responded as I did. But for some reason, it did happen.

Perhaps God has another direction for my life that I am unaware of and He allowed me to error as I did. No one here can varify my heart, and though my intensions are good, I have lived long enough that I have come to the realization that I am not the only one calling the shots in my life for the direction I journey, dispite my intensions. Thought I have often desired to kick against that, He is the one who ultimately does the leading, guiding, directing, and often redirecting. I am often only left with the option to to yeild and go where He would have me go. He does however give me one choice, to yeild to His leading or not. I have found in my life that resisting His directives has never been a good path for me to be on. So to the best I can, I yeild. If that sounds "churchy" it is not, I do not attend. I learned this in my treestand and by walking the often hard road of life.

That is all I can say in regard to the matter.




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Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: 358wsm] #6168656
02/24/18 01:04 PM
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I return all carcasses to the trap line, including beaver. Prior to the season, that may take the form of a box lunch. Just a free, covered place to be eaten.
Regulations do require that carcasses be disposed of away from roadways, plain view, etc.


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Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: waggler] #6168751
02/24/18 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: waggler
On the subject of pre-baiting, I just cut and pasted this from the current Alaska hunting regulations. I don't see anywhere that it includes pre-baiting for marten either before or during the season.

"Intentionally or negligently feeding deer, elk, moose,
bear, wolf, coyote, fox, wolverine, sheep, or deleterious
exotic wildlife (see page 142), or intentionally leaving
human food, animal food, mineral supplements or garbage
in a manner that attracts these animals, EXCEPT: you may
hunt wolves, fox, and wolverine with game parts that are not
required to be salvaged. (See page 17 for list of game parts
that are allowed to be used for bait.) Use of any type of bait
other than those allowed on page 17 will be considered a
violation of the feeding regulation."

White17, I'd be curious to know how the Troopers you are referring are making their interpretation. Doesn't surprise me though. Is there something in the trapping regulations that address the subject?
When I pre-bait for marten it is generally after trapping season opens anyway.


I forget which trooper it was.............but a few years back one of the brownshirt guys was addressing a gathering of one of the trapping organizations either on the Kenai or in the Valley. HE is the one who told the group it was illegal to pre-bait. Maybe someone from that side of the mountains remembers who and when it was.


Yes...once season opens everything is OK. .......apparently


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Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: 358wsm] #6169172
02/24/18 10:36 PM
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Law Enforcement often have agreements with other agencies for enforcement. Idaho F&G can enforce Ag Dept rules,Forest Service litter, etc. May be a Fed rule and not in trapping regs.

Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: white17] #6170969
02/26/18 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: white17



I forget which trooper it was.............but a few years back one of the brownshirt guys was addressing a gathering of one of the trapping organizations either on the Kenai or in the Valley. HE is the one who told the group it was illegal to pre-bait. Maybe someone from that side of the mountains remembers who and when it was.


Yes...once season opens everything is OK. .......apparently


White's correct It was Tory Oleck from Palmer. He came to a trapping school at Beach Lake a long time ago and told us he considered pre baiting to be 'trapping activity'. This was well over 10 years ago.
Viking makes a good point.
It may come down to intent.
Waggler posted hunting regs and they don't translate as trapping regs.


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Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: 358wsm] #6171205
02/26/18 05:03 PM
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Also as you know Tom, on federal land it is the law as interpreted by the officer. Federal regulations and seasons vary greatly from the states. A great example is the foolish regulations built around the lynx seasons on the KNWR.

Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: 358wsm] #6171295
02/26/18 06:57 PM
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Drasselt,
I looked through the trapping regs but couldnt find anything regarding feeding wildlife. I believe however, the prohibition of feeding found in the hunting regs doesnt just apply to hunters though, but applies to everyone including homeowners.
Im not too sure about prebaiting prior to trapping season, but I would be surprised to hear someone make the argument that it's illegal after the season opens.
Is it legal to "place" traps prior to the season, such as leaving traps hanging from pole sets?


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Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: 358wsm] #6171309
02/26/18 07:14 PM
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Then whats the difference between feeding wildlife and disposing of carcasses in the bush(back to the foodchain from whence they came).


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Re: Someone willing to talk marten and footholds [Re: Boco] #6171342
02/26/18 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: Boco
Then whats the difference between feeding wildlife and disposing of carcasses in the bush(back to the foodchain from whence they came).


Intent.


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