The Beav, not sure about where you live but you can almost guarantee that here every service has at least one person armed.
I have friends who put on trainings for church staff and security. The church I used to attend years ago has staff and pastors and security with ccw. They even have a designated response team. The staff and security teams do constant training.
The church I attend now has always had professional armed security and has numerous people in each service with their ccw.
I know several churches I've never attended where at least the pastor has a ccw even while in the pulpit.

Patrice I agree get rid of gun free zones

we agree on that , so lets loose the useless signs that only keep the good people from carrying.

Or laws.

Adam I think the loons in Madison Wis are getting to him , if he starts talking about using spray bottles to discourage the wild turkeys from pecking at you when you go to check the mail we will know it is time for an intervention.

Beav I get it a bunch of civies are never going to be up to the Marine standard but if you don't put people in charge of their own life and their own safety then you just get a bunch of whiners begging for a Nanny state that is worse than the problem they had.

I agree 100% with what Patrice said would stop the problem. If we could eliminate gun free zones the mass shootings would be all but stopped. However, this common sense approach will never come to pass because the left is more focused on gutting the 2nd amendment than on saving lives. They don't want to stop mass shootings so long as the mass shootings help them attack the 2nd amendment. What the left really wants is to take our guns and ensure we are dependent upon the government, specifically on a socialist government. The answer is to take the solution to the local level where DC politicians can't interfere with your ability to protect yourself and your children. Demand action of your school boards and local politicians to put protections in place even if they are not the ideal solution Patrice described.

If all the employees at the school open carried handguns do you think there would still be an attempt to kill a bunch of students there?

Ya but no one has ever had to pull the trigger on another person.
I'll be honest about It I don't know how I would react If It happened. I have never had to kill anyone have you? I would hope that I would be up to the task at hand.

we need trained armed personnel at these schools and if teachers are willing to be that person I'm all for it ,the custodian the lunch lady , I'm all for it . i would like those people to have training ,and i don't mean seal team 6 training but some type of firearms training ! and look if there was some veterans who wanted to volunteer to be at the school and be armed I'm all for it ! Beave you are wrong these shooters are cowards who know they are going into unarmed areas to kill innocent people !

I'm not as nice as you are, Beav, but I think that if you found yourself in that situation, the reality of what was unfolding in front of you would clear up any problems you have with killing someone - and if it didn't, you would still have the option to do nothing.

I don't know how I would react either Beav... But I would like to at least be given the chance to step up if the time ever came. I MIGHT freeze up, I MIGHT fail. Or I MIGHT pull it off. But if I obey the law and remain unarmed I can GUARANTEE that I will be able to do nothing to stop a killer.

Mike

Aggressive action wins fights....move forward and do not stop.

no I have never had to kill another human , but I have made up my mind that when a person stops acting human they are just another animal , and I have shot lots of animals and never felt an ounce of guilt for it.

so it is not I who has decided it is them through their actions act like an animal die like an animal.

maybe I change my mind at some point but until I am there and force into it , that's the plan.

I got the shooting part down . maybe I am not as good when being shot at but that is yet to be determined.

If I am going to die any way what have I got to loose.

I have drawn a gun and used it twice to assure my safety and those with me in situations that occurred in the darkness of nite. There was never any shots fired, but until I knew there was not a threat to me or my partners I was ready to react and protect our lives. It is a moment you have to train for over and over in your mind and with physical actions you rehearse. Be prepared to engage if engaged on. Whether fired on or just drawn on if you are going to be in that situation you have to have in the back of your mind you may be only a moment away from being shot at. If you are involved with an active shooter, it's a little easier to make a quick decision. Chances are you or those around you will die. It's a kill or be killed moment. That would be easy for me. I have constantly ran that scenario over and over in my mind while I am practicing with my firearms. But I do agree that many who have gotten a CCW or bought a firearm for home protection would probably have a hard time because they never practice, run these kind of situations over and over in their mind, or just think because they have a firearm they are safe. An active shooter may be very proficient in his handling of a firearm or you may be out gunned (A rifle with a site zeroed in will almost always out gun a pistol at a distance). But I'll take my chances as long as I am armed and put in a situation of danger much as those who have perished in a shooting.

I'm not advocating restricting our right to carry. I just don't think It's going to be that much of a deterrent.

I'd take that soccer mom on my side any day of the week when compared to an unarmed sheep waiting in line to die.

The TX church shooter was shot by someone at the church.
Thank God I haven't had to pull the trigger on someone. I've had to draw a few times. Honestly I wouldn't like killing someone but if I HAD TO I would. Not sure how I would react but I would at least try something. When I'm picking up my kids at school I often find myself thinking what would I do, especially since I am unarmed during those few minutes. I even go through scenarios in my mind in various places like the bank (legal if not posted) hospital restaurant etc...

Don't be so sure I know or knew a lot of soccer moms.

If you are going to engage an active shooter one of the most important things to be aware of is the background....if the background is not clear you may be able to just shoot low...legs/pelvis..or you may need to move to gain a better angle that will present a clear background.

The next main issue is you must realize that your not there to take prisoners...eliminate the threat thru extreme violence of action, keep moving forward and be aware of the background/mitigate a crowded background, be aware that you can be easily mistaken for the bad guy...and that other good guys may be doing the same thing you are doing.

Its really a lot to do if you have no training at all.

In arkansas there is a new law I'm not sure if it is in effect yet or not but it will allow anyone 21 years of age and older who atends school or staff to carry a concealed weapon on school campus.but they must go to training classes to do so that are free!

Not an active shooter scenario... But several years back I had a situation at my house and had to pull my revolver... The other guy thought better and left. He later apologized and things ended on a good note.

Looking back that was one of the scariest moments in my life... But not until after it was over and I had calmed down... I was shaky and felt like I was going to wretch my guts up.

While it was happening I remember being amped up yet remarkably calm about what I had to do. I believe I would have shot the guy had things went differently.

I hope I'm never in a position like that again.

Mike