What the heck, Trump?!?!
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Now he wants to start banning bump stocks and raise the age to buy certain guns?!?! I hope you don't start to bow down, Trump.....but I'm loosing hope.
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Catering will get him nowhere. Especially since we all know new laws won't change anything. They don't properly use the ones we have now.
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Honestly, I don't know why bump stocks are even back on the table, it wasn't used this time to my knowledge. However, moving the long gun purchase age to 21 should have been seen a long time ago.
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I think those are things we can give ground on. There are on line instructions to accomplish the same thing bump stocks do without spending $300. Young people who have been raised trapping and hunting are no danger when it comes to gun purchases, but to the many who have not I think it is alright to run purchases through the parents until age twenty one. I may be playing the devils advocate here, but let the discussion begin.
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Our sportsman's club financially supports 4 different high schools who have trap shooting teams. The number of kids shooting has really grown each year. More girls getting involved each year too. Watch the main stream media manufacture their fake news to do their best to put an end to this.
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Age of majority is age of majority. If you're 18 you should be able to buy a gun. I do not agree with the current 21 year old handgun law either. I agree, but I may be a bit biased since I'm 18.
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I think those are things we can give ground on. There are on line instructions to accomplish the same thing bump stocks do without spending $300. Young people who have been raised trapping and hunting are no danger when it comes to gun purchases, but to the many who have not I think it is alright to run purchases through the parents until age twenty one. I may be playing the devils advocate here, but let the discussion begin. give ground now and you will be "giving" more ground later....
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I do not mind the 21 law for handguns, too many kids are hotheads these days but I think shotguns and hunting rifles should stay at 18 (by hunting rifle I mean squirrel guns and big game rifles). Here in MN you have to have a permit to purchase handguns and AR15 rifles/receivers, it has been that way since I moved here nearly 20 years ago, it is a minor inconvenience that I do not like but it isn't terrible (I am used to it now) but they kept the process free and it takes my local police department a couple days to get me my new permit and if I get my carry permit which is good for 5 years it replaces the purchase permit.
I am surprised Trump is moving towards the ban on bump stocks, I figured he might put them under the NFA regulations at most. I am not sure what they can do to make the background checks "stronger" but I agree they need to make the police departments and other agencies work together to keep the system updated better but outside of that there is nothing new can be done, as repeated to the point of insanity, a crazy/mental person or anyone bent on murder will find a way.
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Our sportsman's club financially supports 4 different high schools who have trap shooting teams. The number of kids shooting has really grown each year. More girls getting involved each year too. Watch the main stream media manufacture their fake news to do their best to put an end to this. First thing i thought when i saw all the news stations airing the kids getting on busses to be hauled all over the country to protest? Who is footing the bill for all those charter busses? This was awhile in the wings, but they sure came outta the closet within minutes to go after guns. Hope most reading this do one thing........Ask yourself if you align with the ones footing this protest.
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I don't have a problem with the proposal... As long as we raise the age to exercise all of our other constitutional rights too.
21 to vote!!! Wonder how that will go over?
Mike
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Lots of ideas with no real end game in the plans really being put out there, about as useful as a lead balloon!
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. Should change from NRA to NCYGRA. NCYGRA? NATIONAL COMPROMISE YOUR GUN RIGHTS ASSOCIATION
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These posts are are too early in the game. Left hoping to turn us on Trump.
1-Trump can't EO this. 2-The ATF can't make this law.
Congress has to write the law and pass it. I'm hoping this is just lip-service to weather the storm the left is bringing apon us. News flash...Trump is the left...He's a New York City Democrat, Clinton cohort. Edit: this is the time for Trump to show what side he really is on. He really is a reformed Dem or he just bamboozled a whole lot of folks.
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These posts are are too early in the game. Left hoping to turn us on Trump.
1-Trump can't EO this. 2-The ATF can't make this law.
Congress has to write the law and pass it. I'm hoping this is just lip-service to weather the storm the left is bringing apon us. News flash...Trump is the left...He's a New York City Democrat, Clinton cohort. Edit: this is the time for Trump to show what side he really is on. He really is a reformed Dem or he just bamboozled a whole lot of folks. He ain't the lone ranger, is he?
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If you look at this from the perspective of curtailing a different right to protect people, things get stupid real quick...
People are quick to point out that your rights aren't limitless. The old adage about yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater comes up...
Interestingly enough, there have been instances where someone yelled and caused a panic stampede in a public venue... And in those cases the person(s) responsible were held responsible for their actions.
What didn't happen was an immediate call for "common sense" legislation to prevent further tragedies. "For God's sake there were children in those theaters!"
There was no call for licensing and background checks for the ability to speak/yell. No capacity restriction... We are still allowed to speak at decibel volumes over a whisper. We can still cup our hands around our mouths to better project our voices... "Bump speaking" There is no ban on tape recorders... "fully automatic voice projection instruments" No call for confiscation or voluntary surrender of vocal cords.
It seems ridiculous When you compare the two. But people have indeed been killed by someone using their voice to incite panic... And multiple people died as a result.
We punished people who abused an otherwise normal activity. We didn't punish everyone who choose to use their voices in a lawful, responsible manner.
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Funny... I just got a petition in my email to end gun free zones. The Idea of taking a few losses with guns is idiotic. When is the last time you have heard of a bill in favor for guns? Think Tug-O-War, once you start losing you are almost guaranteed to lose.WE as sportsmen and 2nd amendment supporters need to start pushing back, and hard or else we will lose this right which we need/love.
Also Gun free zones in a country full of guns is just idiotic I wonder if the people who put that in place actually ever thought it out(it was probably to hard on their brains). Any person that owns a gun can come onto campus and start doing evil deed, with little fear of consequence until well after the deed has been done.
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If you look at this from the perspective of curtailing a different right to protect people, things get stupid real quick...
People are quick to point out that your rights aren't limitless. The old adage about yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater comes up...
Interestingly enough, there have been instances where someone yelled and caused a panic stampede in a public venue... And in those cases the person(s) responsible were held responsible for their actions.
What didn't happen was an immediate call for "common sense" legislation to prevent further tragedies. "For God's sake there were children in those theaters!"
There was no call for licensing and background checks for the ability to speak/yell. No capacity restriction... We are still allowed to speak at decibel volumes over a whisper. We can still cup our hands around our mouths to better project our voices... "Bump speaking" There is no ban on tape recorders... "fully automatic voice projection instruments" No call for confiscation or voluntary surrender of vocal cords.
It seems ridiculous When you compare the two. But people have indeed been killed by someone using their voice to incite panic... And multiple people died as a result.
We punished people who abused an otherwise normal activity. We didn't punish everyone who choose to use their voices in a lawful, responsible manner.
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I don't have a problem with the proposal... As long as we raise the age to exercise all of our other constitutional rights too.
21 to vote!!! Wonder how that will go over?
Mike 21 to serve your country also? How would that go over? It will be a shame if they allow an 18yr old to go into combat and risk his life but tell him he can’t purchase a firearm. I really disagree with Trump on this one, he should not have budged on any gun policies. I don’t think it will help his case when it comes to re- election.
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I don't have a problem with the proposal... As long as we raise the age to exercise all of our other constitutional rights too.
21 to vote!!! Wonder how that will go over?
Mike 21 to serve your country also? How would that go over? It will be a shame if they allow an 18yr old to go into combat and risk his life but tell him he can’t purchase a firearm. I really disagree with Trump on this one, he should not have budged on any gun policies. I don’t think it will help his case when it comes to re- election. Can you imagine the outrage on both sides if they decided to raise the voting age? But if it concerns a right to an activity that others don't participate in... Chop it up. Mike
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Again, who or what do you'll think is footing the bill for all these protests? George Soros is footing the bill on most everything this high level on the libs side, he is one of the evilest men on the planet and may even be the Devil himself in the flesh. I do not advocate for any compromise at all in our gun rights and I sure as heck won't give up any of my guns regardless of any laws or EO period.
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The morons are the ones who expect someone else to protect their rights. How about setting up a go fund me account to cover your costs and lost income. On second thought............
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Just listen to the kids it's been all scripted, they were saying things that they would have never heard of, just to many things stink hear, this is reminds me of another shooting but not the last two big ones You got that right! Whoever sent them there sent along talking points!
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The large majority of the population will give up freedoms for perceived safety.
Most today have no comprehension of what it is to take care of themselves if things go badly....both of these things are a result of becoming a soft/successful society. Even the cops are not used to dealing with self sufficient people. Armed law abiding citizens are often perceived as a threat just because they are armed or very proficient with firearms..I have experienced that myself while traffic stopped and at gun ranges. But I have also been stopped/interacted with law enforcement that were not that way.
If the cop shootings keep happening at the rate they are more cops will be shifting into the former category.
Bump stocks are a way around a law......ban them and it is OK with me but do not change the age for a long gun purchase.
Students are walking out and rallying today...for more anti gun laws. The politicians will go where the wind blows......look for 'common sense' gun control laws at the state/local level to increase.
It is a shame but many people see anyone who carries a gun as a potential threat not a potential threat stopper.
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Age of majority is age of majority. If you're 18 you should be able to buy a gun. I do not agree with the current 21 year old handgun law either. I agree. If you're old enough to go to war, you should be eligible to buy a gun.
The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
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Makes you all wish Hillary would of won, huh? Not at all. How about yourself?
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These cowardly shooters hit schools because they are gun-free zones. Let's face it, we are never going back to the Ozzie & Harriet days. Times have changed and in this case, not for the better.
Most of these guys are in it for the publicity and notoriety they think it gives them. If the media would not name or photograph the perpetrator, it might not look so inviting to go in and shoot up an innocent bunch of kids. Some of these shooters even made video recordings prior. Look at all the copycats the Florida incident spawned.
The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
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To bad because if you were running against Hillary you would get my vote. The same reason I voted for Trump.
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Tweed are you a snowflake ? Just asking..lol
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Tweed are you a snowflake ? Just asking..lol No....not sure how you would come to that conclusion. Are some of my observations triggering you? As stated by others....Trump wasn't their favorite candidate. They picked the less of two evils. To me....Trump just seemed like a different version of Hillary but with better marketing. And now today, little more than a year after inauguration he seems to be shifting towards gun control. Maybe I'll be wrong...
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The grit of the American man has vanished. Long before this latest compromise by trump and the NRA. It is hard to find the exact point on the timeline. When I heard voting for the lesser of two evils dogma is when I realized we're done. "Well at least he's better than her". Turn out the lights, the parties over. Another clue that the grit is gone are the comments that people are too busy to protest, tp become involved in politics besides showing up to vote and ridiculing those that do vote differently. Keep sending those checks to the compromiser-in-chief until the whole works ends up in a dust heap. Did you vote third party and did that gritty vote protect your gun rights? I have many times but for this election I chose the lesser of two evils. A Hillary win would have been disastrous for what I believe in. Sometimes a man's got to do what a man's got to do. In this case the end justifies the means.
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Tweed ... no I can’t be triggered.
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"Claiming some of the students on tv after #Parkland are actors is the work of a disgusting group of idiots with no sense of decency" --Sen. Rubio Just listen to the kids it's been all scripted, they were saying things that they would have never heard of, just to many things stink hear, this is reminds me of another shooting but not the last two big ones
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I'd suggest that any photo can be edited but that would be ridiculous. Of course they couldn't be because a conservative is to honest to do that.
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A bunch of high school students left class today to protest about gun control with some of our Democratic "leaders" in Madison,WI. A 15 year old girl was wailing on the radio that she was forced to learn at 5 years of age, how to hide under her desk and hope to avoid getting shot. At 5 years of age I was shown how to get to the cellar of our school where emergency supplies were stored, stay low and kiss your as goodby as the Commies were going to nuke us. Nothing I could do about that but at 5 years old I would have been able to return fire to a school shooter with my Red Ryder.
Zim Could you imagine how many "Old Timers" would have been sticking out of a "school shooter" back in the day when the cops finally got there?
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Old hippie leftie anti-war anthem. I bet you have country joe records too,lol.
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[Re: Ditchdiver]
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4-500 students walked out of each of the two high schools here today to protest school shootings....I wonder what that accomplished?
No demands or expectations were expressed that I know of.
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
[Re: Ditchdiver]
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What happened? After the horrible event of Columbine?? What has changed?? It has been ALL just EVIL/BAD! What has changed since that horrible tragedy years ago??
They look at an object that cannot move itself, on it's own, some human has to move it. A nice big picture can hang upon a Wall, if a human, dog, etc sits below this big picture, the big picture could fall off the Wall and seriously harm the human, dog, cat, etc sitting under the big picture.
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
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What happened? After the horrible event of Columbine?? What has changed?? It has been ALL just EVIL/BAD! What has changed since that horrible tragedy years ago??
They look at an object that cannot move itself, on it's own, some human has to move it. A nice big picture can hang upon a Wall, if a human, dog, etc sits below this big picture, the big picture could fall off the Wall and seriously harm the human, dog, cat, etc sitting under the big picture. the big picture might even harm the floor, if its hardwood it could dent it.
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02/21/18 09:24 PM
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Age of majority is age of majority. If you're 18 you should be able to buy a gun. I do not agree with the current 21 year old handgun law either. I agree, but I may be a bit biased since I'm 18. I also agree. And I think it should be 18 for alcohol. If you're old enough to go fight a war, with fully automatic machine guns, tanks, RPGs, etc... you're old enough to buy a rifle, pistol, and have a beer.
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[Re: FlyinFinn]
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02/21/18 09:42 PM
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What happened? After the horrible event of Columbine?? What has changed?? It has been ALL just EVIL/BAD! What has changed since that horrible tragedy years ago??
They look at an object that cannot move itself, on it's own, some human has to move it. A nice big picture can hang upon a Wall, if a human, dog, etc sits below this big picture, the big picture could fall off the Wall and seriously harm the human, dog, cat, etc sitting under the big picture. the big picture might even harm the floor, if its hardwood it could dent it. Agreed! Not likely the big picture would fall at all (ever), Unless it had been mounted wrong to start with or, A human-modified the big picture so it would fall to harm someone!
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I do not mind the 21 law for handguns, too many kids are hotheads these days . ever wonder why? this is what government needs to figure out! RR
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
[Re: Ditchdiver]
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02/21/18 10:07 PM
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Back in the <1950's 1960's folks had to be 21 years of age to purchase shells for firearms! A good idea to have even today!
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All banning bump stocks or adding new laws will do is make a small group of people happy for a short amount of time. Then another shooting happens and more laws, then again and again and again and before you know it they will try to take our guns. The folks who want our guns will always want our guns and will never budge on that, so why should we as responsible gun owners keep giving in?
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[Re: Ditchdiver]
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02/21/18 11:30 PM
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A person did not have to be 21 to buy ammo in the late sixties cause I bought lots of it at age fifteen. I also bought two MILITARY RIFLES at Mackies Discount Sporting Goods in Abilene Texas at seventeen. And when the firing pin broke on the 6.5mm Japanese Arasaka I took it to high school and WITH THE TEACHERS PERMISSION rebuilt the firing pin in the FFA class shop. Pulled the bullets out of a few rounds and dumped the powder AND TEST FIRED IT IN THE SHOP. It was still working fine a couple years later when I sold it to a friend. The ONLY REASONABLE GUN CONTROL IS (1) always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. (2)never point the gun at any thing you don't want to kill or destroy. (3) make sure of your target and what is behind it. (4) unload the chamber before putting it in a vehicle or crossing a fence. (5) always assume the gun is loaded. (6) never rely on the guns safety (7) USE BOTH HANDS AND AIM SMALL. Give the gun banning idiots an inch and they will still want a mile!
“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
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Just listen to the kids it's been all scripted, they were saying things that they would have never heard of, just to many things stink hear, this is reminds me of another shooting but not the last two big ones George Sorous!
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Do you think Soros funded the trip for those who met with Trump today? The only reason I ask is obviously I don't have the same critical thinking skills as some of you.
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
[Re: Ditchdiver]
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02/21/18 11:46 PM
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I know this may sound very insensitive, and maybe a little to soon, but things could have been much worse. Could have been a bomb, then how many dead would we be talking about ?? Close a door, and a window will for sure open up, then what ??
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02/21/18 11:55 PM
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I don't have a problem with the proposal... As long as we raise the age to exercise all of our other constitutional rights too.
21 to vote!!! Wonder how that will go over?
Mike 21 to serve your country also? How would that go over? It will be a shame if they allow an 18yr old to go into combat and risk his life but tell him he can’t purchase a firearm. I really disagree with Trump on this one, he should not have budged on any gun policies. I don’t think it will help his case when it comes to re- election. He won’t lose a single gun owner vote to any democrat they run against him. Would you have voted for Hillary if you knew Trump would not veto a law banning bump stocks??
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
[Re: cmcf]
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02/22/18 12:07 AM
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A person did not have to be 21 to buy ammo in the late sixties cause I bought lots of it at age fifteen. I also bought two MILITARY RIFLES at Mackies Discount Sporting Goods in Abilene Texas at seventeen. And when the firing pin broke on the 6.5mm Japanese Arasaka I took it to high school and WITH THE TEACHERS PERMISSION rebuilt the firing pin in the FFA class shop. Pulled the bullets out of a few rounds and dumped the powder AND TEST FIRED IT IN THE SHOP. It was still working fine a couple years later when I sold it to a friend. The ONLY REASONABLE GUN CONTROL IS (1) always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. (2)never point the gun at any thing you don't want to kill or destroy. (3) make sure of your target and what is behind it. (4) unload the chamber before putting it in a vehicle or crossing a fence. (5) always assume the gun is loaded. (6) never rely on the guns safety (7) USE BOTH HANDS AND AIM SMALL. Give the gun banning idiots an inch and they will still want a mile! Quote! It may have been State Law difference, but it WAS Age 21 here in Indiana, mostly Hardware Stores sold ammunition back then, I read The Signs inside The Store! In Texas and Wyoming State Laws could have been different! Here in Indiana, the print was even on Box .22 cal. shells it even read inside the paper flaps on the ends Must Be 21, Range 1 mile! I may even have a box or 2 around here, OLDE! I have a box of .22 Caliber Shorts which were common back then, hard to find nowadays, maybe State Law differences, I didn't ask my Lawyer back then Why! I was too busy Trapping , Hunting, Target practicing (plinking)! Good 'Ole Times! .22 Caliber shorts were good for 'Coon, Red Fox, groundhogs, etc. You forgot one, NEVER CROSS A FENCE WITH A LOADED FIREARM and others! SAFETY FIRST! I AM 'NRA' ALL THE WAY! So anything that can help, will be Helpful, in the long term, But honestly, I believe there has been enough, way far enough changes to "Our 2nd Amendment", what has those changes done??
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Rule (4) make sure the chamber is empty before putting gun in a vehicle or crossing a fence. I didn't forget squat. And although I am a lifetime NRA member now I was taught those rules by my father and grandfather before I knew there was a National Rifle Association. About age six or seven.
“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli
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[Re: Ditchdiver]
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The president said the administration would look “very strongly” at the option for “concealed carry” at schools, but acknowledged that “a lot of people will be opposed to it.”
“Concealed carry only works for people that are very adept at carrying a gun,” Trump said. “Where a teacher would have a concealed gun on them, go for special training and they would be there and you would no longer have a gun free zone.”
Trump added: “A gun-free zone to a maniac, they’re all cowards, it’s ‘let’s go in and attack because bullets aren’t coming at us.’”
The president said that an attack lasts, on average “three minutes.”
“It takes five to eight minutes for first responders. So the attack is over. If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end [the attack],” Trump said. “We are looking at that very strongly. A lot of people will be opposed to it. A lot of people are gonna like it.”
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
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Rule (4) make sure the chamber is empty before putting gun in a vehicle or crossing a fence. I didn't forget squat. And although I am a lifetime NRA member now I was taught those rules by my father and grandfather before I knew there was a National Rifle Association. About age six or seven. Shouldn't One Also Make Sure The Magazine Is Empty Before Placing A Firearm In A Motor Vehicle ? I Don't Know About The Firearms Laws In Your State, But In Most Places A Firearm [Excluding A Handgun} Must Be Unloaded In Both The Chamber AND THE MAGAZINE.You'd Be Cited For A Firearms Violation In Many States For Having A Long Gun With A Loaded Magazine In A Motor Vehicle. w
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[Re: walleyed]
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Rule (4) make sure the chamber is empty before putting gun in a vehicle or crossing a fence. I didn't forget squat. And although I am a lifetime NRA member now I was taught those rules by my father and grandfather before I knew there was a National Rifle Association. About age six or seven. Shouldn't One Also Make Sure The Magazine Is Empty Before Placing A Firearm In A Motor Vehicle ? I Don't Know About The Firearms Laws In Your State, But In Most Places A Firearm [Excluding A Handgun} Must Be Unloaded In Both The Chamber AND THE MAGAZINE.You'd Be Cited For A Firearms Violation In Many States For Having A Long Gun With A Loaded Magazine In A Motor Vehicle. w I always remove mags, clear chambers, and leave the action open... Pull the belts out of the belt fed ones too Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
[Re: Ditchdiver]
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Loaded (round of ammo in the chamber) long gun is legal in a vehicle in Kansas unless your spotlighting deer.....any legal means of killing a deer is illegal to have in a vehicle if you are spotlighting deer. (pistol, rifle, bow or xbow) even if you have a ccl.
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
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[Re: Mike in A-town]
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I always remove mags, clear chambers, and leave the action open... Pull the belts out of the belt fed ones too Mike Mike, Do You Also Send Home Your Team Members From Your Crew-Served Weapons When Not In Use, Or Do You Just Place Them On Stand-By ? w
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[Re: Law Dog]
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There seems to be a large faction of gullible people who believe it though And another this sick stuff has been going on for several years just trolls/bots playing game it that was truly the goal you would think they would be better at it!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
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I know right! It's just terrible when people exercise their first amendment rights when they differ from your opinion The kids at the marches holding signs saying No NRA money. That is ridiculous.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
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The president said the administration would look “very strongly” at the option for “concealed carry” at schools, but acknowledged that “a lot of people will be opposed to it.”
“Concealed carry only works for people that are very adept at carrying a gun,” Trump said. “Where a teacher would have a concealed gun on them, go for special training and they would be there and you would no longer have a gun free zone.”
Trump added: “A gun-free zone to a maniac, they’re all cowards, it’s ‘let’s go in and attack because bullets aren’t coming at us.’”
The president said that an attack lasts, on average “three minutes.”
“It takes five to eight minutes for first responders. So the attack is over. If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end [the attack],” Trump said. “We are looking at that very strongly. A lot of people will be opposed to it. A lot of people are gonna like it.”
This quote by the president is more of an indictment of the federal department of education than anything to do with gun laws. Why does the president have ANYTHING to do with what happens in my local school? 'A lot of people will be opposed...' Duh, maybe let decisions be made at a local level. We know what is better for us than a bureaucrat in D.C. I believe he is missing a great opportunity to make government smaller (not surprisingly). If some district doesn't want constitutional carry in their school, well, that is their perogitive. I'm quite sure the stickers would be coming off the doors of my local school.
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Because everyone is screaming at the Pres. to wave a magic wand and change evil people into good people.
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If its allowable to have "sanctuary" cities and states, lets also have cities and states that allow open carry, and the same for gun bans. See which works the best.
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Schools without guns, schools with armed personnel. Send your kid to the school of your choice.
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Many states don't require the magazine to be empty as well. Some states require the gun be locked in the trunk and completely unloaded, those states also require many other onerous things. One of the main reasons I don't live there. If I posted the other reasons I don't I would be sent on a very long vacation and possibly be told to not come back. I'll leave it at that.
“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli
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I believe I will not support a candidate again who doesn't strive to eliminate every gun control law in every state. I want a candidate that believes the job of the federal government is to first make sure no states trample on the bill of rights. That their other primary purpose is to maintain a military whose primary purpose is PREVENT INVASION. So in the eyes of most of you I am going to throw my vote away. I am quite sick of politicians and their posturing and lying.
When I was kid a 6 year old could buy a postal money order, send it to sears, and in a few weeks the mailman would bring him his new ted Williams shotgun. I don't remember any gas station, hardware store or anybody else with an age restriction on buying ammo. Yes there were mass killings. Its why all that changed. We still have mass killings. We will still have them after more law is passed.
I WANT MY LIBERTY
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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[/quote] This quote by the president is more of an indictment of the federal department of education than anything to do with gun laws. Why does the president have ANYTHING to do with what happens in my local school? 'A lot of people will be opposed...' Duh, maybe let decisions be made at a local level. We know what is better for us than a bureaucrat in D.C. I believe he is missing a great opportunity to make government smaller (not surprisingly). If some district doesn't want constitutional carry in their school, well, that is their perogitive. I'm quite sure the stickers would be coming off the doors of my local school. [/quote]
I know what you are saying Flynn, and I agree but then why do they think people in Florida have the right to tell Minnesotans what should or shouldn't be banned? It is a two-way street but these people think it should be their street making all the calls!
Alcohol kills 4700 teens a year but no one wants to ban beer even though it is easier and cheaper to get than the guns.
Mark Skokan, Buffalo MN.
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Ban privately owned cars and pickups. They kill more people than any other man made tool ever invented. They are not even regulated. Anybody that wants one can walk onto a car lot with a couple thousand in cash and drive away in one. These things are causing global warming, lung cancer, and premarital sex. Why do we see the things everywhere???????????????????????????????????? Whats the attraction??????????????? I think people buy them because they have low self esteem. there is no reason to continue allowing them. 100 years ago a few people needed them for transportation. That is no longer the case. In the modern world we have busses trains and taxi's all operated by professional trained drivers. End the madness. Ban POV's
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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The president said the administration would look “very strongly” at the option for “concealed carry” at schools, but acknowledged that “a lot of people will be opposed to it.”
“Concealed carry only works for people that are very adept at carrying a gun,” Trump said. “Where a teacher would have a concealed gun on them, go for special training and they would be there and you would no longer have a gun free zone.”
Trump added: “A gun-free zone to a maniac, they’re all cowards, it’s ‘let’s go in and attack because bullets aren’t coming at us.’”
The president said that an attack lasts, on average “three minutes.”
“It takes five to eight minutes for first responders. So the attack is over. If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end [the attack],” Trump said. “We are looking at that very strongly. A lot of people will be opposed to it. A lot of people are gonna like it.”
This quote by the president is more of an indictment of the federal department of education than anything to do with gun laws. Why does the president have ANYTHING to do with what happens in my local school? 'A lot of people will be opposed...' Duh, maybe let decisions be made at a local level. We know what is better for us than a bureaucrat in D.C. I believe he is missing a great opportunity to make government smaller (not surprisingly). If some district doesn't want constitutional carry in their school, well, that is their perogitive. I'm quite sure the stickers would be coming off the doors of my local school. An indictment of the federal department of education? Really? I'd call it more like common sense. Schools are picked on because they are gun free zones, nobody shoots back. Makes sense to me. If you have armed adults carrying weapons, they need to be qualified. Makes sense to me. I don't see where you are getting this as an indictment on education? Oh, that's right, you hate Trump.
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
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Ban privately owned cars and pickups. They kill more people than any other man made tool ever invented. They are not even regulated. Anybody that wants one can walk onto a car lot with a couple thousand in cash and drive away in one. These things are causing global warming, lung cancer, and premarital sex. Why do we see the things everywhere???????????????????????????????????? Whats the attraction??????????????? I think people buy them because they have low self esteem. there is no reason to continue allowing them. 100 years ago a few people needed them for transportation. That is no longer the case. In the modern world we have buses trains and taxi's all operated by professional trained drivers. End the madness. Ban POV's You make some very valid points Dan. Heck...they're not even protected by the constitution. Think how much their use costs us in infrastructure. If not out right ban them, regulate and tax them to offset the true cost of their use.
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
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Lets not start banging on premarital sex. Im offended by that. Walleyed posted the link to "Eve of Destruction" Written 50 years ago, that was about Americans being angry because the US military was overseas fighting the spread of Communism. Here we are 50 years later...we have invited them to come live among us and we're fighting the same battle on the homefront. And they seem to have the majority!
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Re: What the heck, Trump?!?!
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I don't have a problem with the proposal... As long as we raise the age to exercise all of our other constitutional rights too.
21 to vote!!! Wonder how that will go over?
Mike 21 to serve your country also? How would that go over? It will be a shame if they allow an 18yr old to go into combat and risk his life but tell him he can’t purchase a firearm. I really disagree with Trump on this one, he should not have budged on any gun policies. I don’t think it will help his case when it comes to re- election. OK stop and think about an 18 year old when the age to serve was adopted. DECADES ago. Now stop and look at our 18 year olds today as having the ability to buy a gun. NO BRAINER 21 should be the law to buy a gun. 18 years old when I was 18 , most were thinking about getting married , you respected your elders. You prayed in school., saluted the flag, opened doors for others, didn't act up in school because when you got home DAD was waiting. Now parents run to school to chew on the teacher. I could write a book. MOST (not all) teens now are idiots !!!!! period.
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I don’t think schools are chosen because they are gun free. They often have police in them. I think they get chosen because the wackos want to kill people they don’t like for whatever crazy reason they rationalize. It just so happens that it’s an easy place to target. Even good parents need help raising kids these days. We need to invest much more into mental health services.
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Being a "gun free zone" definitely does help make schools a Target.
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An indictment of the federal department of education? Really? I'd call it more like common sense. Schools are picked on because they are gun free zones, nobody shoots back. Makes sense to me. If you have armed adults carrying weapons, they need to be qualified. Makes sense to me. I don't see where you are getting this as an indictment on education? Oh, that's right, you hate Trump. [/quote] If there were no federal dept of ed, Trumcheeto wouldn't have any say about went on in local schools. Repeal any other federal meddling in ANY regard to education. The federal government is to be limited. Also, if you believe that some training program run by ANYONE having any endorsement from or relation to ANY government agency is pre-requisite to carrying a gun, you are part of the problem.
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Based on what I hear you saying then is that nothing should be done. If you believe that, then you are part of the problem too. Or, are you saying you have a solution? It's easy to be an armchair quarterback and find fault without any workable solution.
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It is time for common sense action.
Not more gun control laws.
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Who's idea was it for Feds to take over education? Not Conservatives Id bet. Im all for each state making their own decisions. Counties even.
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Who's idea was it for Feds to take over education? Not Conservatives Id bet. Im all for each state making their own decisions. Counties even. As soon as the revolution was over, so you can guess. I know it's hard to amagine when you read Finns posts, but we've had Gov't involvement in about every aspect of our lives as soon as it was set up.
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Please explain why I get the feeling that there might be more behind these school shootings than we might know ?? I have seen a change in the way people have become so harden to their ideology, that as a people have we come to the point some will do anything to push an agenda ?? Is the anti gun base adding fuel to the fire, and in a subliminal way causing more harm by giving credibility to these monster that commit these acts, this all by the media pushing to report every little detail about these shootings ?? Is this just setting the stage of the next big act ?? I fear some within the anti gun movement understand this all to well, and beat the issue hoping to get the next big reaction, thus moving their agenda further down the road. I have to ask, are the anti gun groups killing people ???
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Well, Hillary has people who disagrees with her "committing suicide".....why would she stop with that? Blatantly abandoning soldiers to be slaughtered.....why not children?
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How do you deal with mental illness in a country where its normal for a man to change himself into a woman.?
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How do you deal with mental illness in a country where its normal for a man to change himself into a woman.? that's the dang truth or be gay. I truly believe acceptance it the real problem. Slowly over time we as people slowly accept what we truly know is wrong or not normal.
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How do you deal with mental illness in a country where its normal for a man to change himself into a woman.? that's the dang truth or be gay. I truly believe acceptance it the real problem. Slowly over time we as people slowly accept what we truly know is wrong or not normal. I believe the correct term in incrementalism.........
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