Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
[Re: Gary Benson]
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I hope my last post didn't come across as TOO arrogant or divisive. I'm enjoying this conversation and everything offered by all of you, because resource management is an issue close to my soul. But yes, having worked both the development and conservation sides, I'm proud of Alaska's stewardship record.
Hippie, I've never understood the push for sewage treatment vs. septic. Sure, in a high-density application like urban developments it's the only option, but in small towns and suburbia, leeching seems like a far more responsible choice. Why the push?
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
[Re: Gary Benson]
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02/16/18 05:01 PM
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In North Platte, Nebraska........they have sewage lagoons between the North Platte River and the South Platte River. The bottom of the lagoons is below ground water level... Darn nice looking facility!
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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I hope my last post didn't come across as TOO arrogant or divisive. I'm enjoying this conversation and everything offered by all of you, because resource management is an issue close to my soul. But yes, having worked both the development and conservation sides, I'm proud of Alaska's stewardship record.
Hippie, I've never understood the push for sewage treatment vs. septic. Sure, in a high-density application like urban developments it's the only option, but in small towns and suburbia, leeching seems like a far more responsible choice. Why the push? When everything is on sewer the state can control emissions easier, tax them easier (permits, fees, inspections, etc.) leech fields or septic tanks are more difficult to monitor. State dnr gets their finger in the pie from all angles when a sewer system is involved.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
[Re: Gary Benson]
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02/16/18 07:46 PM
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^^^^^^^ In Washington State the bureaucrats are always pushing for government run sewer systems just for the reasons you cited - money and control.
Then at the same time they complain about lack of ground water recharge in developing areas. Septic systems seem like a great way to help with ground water recharge.
The same officials also push for curb and gutters in all new developments rather than engineering road water to simply run off the road surface and infiltrate into the ground. These curb and gutter systems then dump roadway water directly into salmon spawning streams. And they say they're concerned about the environment, what a joke.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
[Re: KenaiKid]
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02/20/18 12:16 AM
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I hope my last post didn't come across as TOO arrogant or divisive. I'm enjoying this conversation and everything offered by all of you, because resource management is an issue close to my soul. But yes, having worked both the development and conservation sides, I'm proud of Alaska's stewardship record.
Hippie, I've never understood the push for sewage treatment vs. septic. Sure, in a high-density application like urban developments it's the only option, but in small towns and suburbia, leeching seems like a far more responsible choice. Why the push? Kenai, your posts were the opposite of arrogant. They are helpful, informative, and personal. Good stuff. My only question about the demand for big development in wild places is why don't people just move to New Jersey, instead of demanding that New Jersey move to Heaven-On-Earth?
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
[Re: Gary Benson]
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02/20/18 12:47 AM
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Heaven-On-Earth? So heaven is frozen 6, 7, 8 months a year? There is a reason there are hardly any people here. Even less, in the armpit.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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02/20/18 07:42 AM
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Heaven-On-Earth? So heaven is frozen 6, 7, 8 months a year? There is a reason there are hardly any people here. Even less, in the armpit. The scariest thing about the Armpit, is the guy who lives there. That is NOT St. Peter standing at the gate...! Pete
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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My only question about the demand for big development in wild places is why don't people just move to New Jersey, instead of demanding that New Jersey move to Heaven-On-Earth?
I didn’t know New Jersey had any gold mines In all seriousness though PA, it’s because we love to live here, but we also like having groceries, vehicles, fuel, and modern buildings. And those require money, infrastructure and jobs. Really though, I’m not sure you understand the scale we enjoy here. We can put in a 5-acre oil pad in the middle of a million acres of wilderness, that makes several million dollars a year and employs dozens of people who are therefore able to afford to live here. Mines use a little bit more space, but have a shorter life and are reclaimed more easily. Some have roads, many are fly-in only, and use winter ice roads or barges for freight. And the reason it will never turn into New Jersey is that there is very little private land in AK. The vast majority of resource extraction is on government-held land, under a permitting system that specifically prohibits residential use and permanent construction. I could show you old capped oil wellheads in overgrown swamps that you’d never know were there unless you tripped over them. You’d be surprised how fast it goes back to “pristine.”
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
[Re: Gary Benson]
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02/21/18 03:35 AM
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Sure....y'all gotta pick on the ugly duckling stepkid from Jersey....
Always the butt of the joke lol.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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02/21/18 10:37 AM
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My only question about the demand for big development in wild places is why don't people just move to New Jersey, instead of demanding that New Jersey move to Heaven-On-Earth?
I didn’t know New Jersey had any gold mines In all seriousness though PA, it’s because we love to live here, but we also like having groceries, vehicles, fuel, and modern buildings. And those require money, infrastructure and jobs. Really though, I’m not sure you understand the scale we enjoy here. We can put in a 5-acre oil pad in the middle of a million acres of wilderness, that makes several million dollars a year and employs dozens of people who are therefore able to afford to live here. Mines use a little bit more space, but have a shorter life and are reclaimed more easily. Some have roads, many are fly-in only, and use winter ice roads or barges for freight. And the reason it will never turn into New Jersey is that there is very little private land in AK. The vast majority of resource extraction is on government-held land, under a permitting system that specifically prohibits residential use and permanent construction. I could show you old capped oil wellheads in overgrown swamps that you’d never know were there unless you tripped over them. You’d be surprised how fast it goes back to “pristine.” Kenai, I have been to AK, for one week. Not much time but it was a lot of bush plane time and we covered a large part of the south-central, Denali area and north, south and east of Denali. Drove up to Talkeetna from Anchorage. I won't say I have seen it all, obviously, but you'd be surprised at how quickly everything can start to look like New Jersey. And once it's gone Joizy, it ain't comin back.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
[Re: Gary Benson]
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02/21/18 01:45 PM
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Glad you got to see a little bit of it. Then you should be aware, like I said, that the majority of country you saw is protected from ever being permanently developed. USFWS has an interactive map online that shows land use. Federal, state, native settlement, and private. You don’t have to zoom out far before the “private” color completely disappears. That, along with our environmental regs and full reclamation bonding laws, is why I’m comfortable with controlled resource development. The urban/suburban areas like Anchorage, FBX, Mat-Su, are looking more and more like New Jersey. And I certainly wouldn’t mind if those populations shrunk a bit. But their growth is finite.
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Re: Gold Mountain standoff in Alaska?
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when I was working pipeline in Pa in 2012 I was impressed by the smallmouth numbers in the Susquehanna . it blew my mind how many ten pound channel cats where in that river . and the locals threw them back calling them trash Those catfish are bass-eatin' b@sturds! They make great trap bait. In 2012, the Susquehanna was dead by our local standards. In 2012 I got hospitalized with MRSA from wet wading in the September early goose season. In the 1990s through about 2005 the river was incredible. We would go out with spinning rods after work and catch about 50-100 fish, then switch over to fly rods with #4 poppers and target the really big fish at dusk and til 10:00 pm. It is slowly coming back.
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