Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: huntinhal]
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02/23/18 10:02 AM
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Just wondering why you don't use the money cut? What is your theory on it. Thanks Larry Huh? They are .
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 10:04 AM
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Impressive! Heck of a season.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 10:50 AM
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Very Impressive and a lot of hard work shown there. If I ever get overrun by Coons I know who to call. I hope you do well at the sale.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 10:50 AM
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great job as usual.all mine is put up and i'm fighting not catching anymore.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 12:40 PM
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Lot coon in that 1 pile, I guessing we'll over 500 an guessing 700,guessing amount as I had 150 stacked up an know what like, u wipe off oil on pelts the next day after stretch an for first 3 days with rag or paper towling? Probly don't got time
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 12:51 PM
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Good job. Impressive. The coon combine.
Will my toes ever warm up?
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: coonman220]
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02/23/18 12:52 PM
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Lot coon in that 1 pile, I guessing we'll over 500 an guessing 700,guessing amount as I had 150 stacked up an know what like, u wipe off oil on pelts the next day after stretch an for first 3 days with rag or paper towling? Probly don't got time That u dave?
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 01:48 PM
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Thanks for posting such nice pictures. Giving us something to dream about! Nice job!!
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 03:11 PM
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Great job And good choice of places to send
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: TRapper]
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02/23/18 03:15 PM
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Lot coon in that 1 pile, I guessing we'll over 500 an guessing 700,guessing amount as I had 150 stacked up an know what like, u wipe off oil on pelts the next day after stretch an for first 3 days with rag or paper towling? Probly don't got time That u dave? The one and only. LLL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 03:19 PM
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Looks like the same pictures you showed us last year. But then coon all look a like. LOL
Good job I think you and Dave need to see a therapist.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: The Beav]
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02/23/18 03:30 PM
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Looks like the same pictures you showed us last year. But then coon all look a like. LOL
Good job I think you and Dave need to see a therapist. Have you ever seen the movie "ground hog day" with Bill Murray? It seems that way daily during the seasons and seasons turn into the same thing over and over as well Beav. Only so many ways to stack coon you know. lol, LLL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: The Beav]
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02/23/18 03:44 PM
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Good job I think you and Dave need to see a therapist.
lol I think LLL and Dave both stand out as exceptional trappers, and both do a great job on their put-up. Shows what a LOT of hard work and determination can get you. Trapping is the best therapy.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 03:52 PM
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I know what It takes to put up large numbers of fur. I haven't trapped 1000s like these guys have but I've skinned scraped and boarded as many and maybe more. That's why I mentioned the therapist thing. LOL It would be smart If they were farming out some of this put up work. I know I put up lots of coon for big numbers guys.
I think my best year was somewhere around 500 coon. ROW trapping
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 04:14 PM
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Cut them short like that before you start fleshing and It's a lot easier getting them clean.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 08:05 PM
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I used to wonder about the whole "coon combine" thing. Now I don't. Great job!
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: The Beav]
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02/23/18 10:22 PM
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Looks like the same pictures you showed us last year. But then coon all look a like. LOL
Good job I think you and Dave need to see a therapist. I agree... LOL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/23/18 11:07 PM
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These are mid to late season. They will be all over the place on grades I believe. There are some good and there are some late. These were caught from Dec.15-27th and then the 15th of January through the 30th. LLL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 01:57 AM
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You have a back of steel!!! Very cool!
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 07:01 AM
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Very impressive!
Thank you for sharing.
Dave
Forever in debt to my Father who introduced me to trapping. May I be half the man he was.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: trapdog1]
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02/24/18 10:42 AM
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And its not like Larry or Dave are 20 year old kids anymore! I have plenty of seasons left if the Lord is willing. So does Dave. I will be trapping until the day I die if I have my say in it. here is what I was doing for a couple weeks during January I will post pics of them soon. Still have a few to finish.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 12:09 PM
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LL- I'm curious as to what types of sets/traps you use to consistently catch that many coon. I want to hit them hard next year (just to see what kind of numbers I can get) and you definitely have a little knowledge when it comes to coon trapping! Do you use footholds, DP's and conibears? Snares? Multiple types of sets or streamlined like a lot of longliner? Any specific locations that you look for? Thanks for any info, and great job on a great season!
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 02:07 PM
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And its not like Larry or Dave are 20 year old kids anymore! I have plenty of seasons left if the Lord is willing. So does Dave. I will be trapping until the day I die if I have my say in it. here is what I was doing for a couple weeks during January I will post pics of them soon. Still have a few to finish. I hope the Lord is willing for those many seasons to come!
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 02:42 PM
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Hey Hodagtrapper,good to see you back posting.Wondered where you went.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
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02/24/18 04:00 PM
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Lot coon an work an good at trapping an time spent well, fast, an good areas plus many hours I am sure. Most people never get that an just few get huge numbers
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 05:45 PM
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nice I hope you are rewarded with higher prices on those coon great job
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: TRapper]
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02/24/18 08:00 PM
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Said it before...i have the know how to put numbers of coon up like that...i dont have the desire. Now mole trapping is diff. I have the desire there So many things to unpack here. If it was worth doing I would. LLL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 08:08 PM
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Great pictures. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 08:16 PM
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Said it before...i have the know how to put numbers of coon up like that...i dont have the desire. Now mole trapping is diff. I have the desire there So many things to unpack here. If it was worth doing I would. LLL Im glad many people think like you Larry...you know how many moles we caught last season...we averaged $59.22 a mole and moles were almost 1/3 of our gross revenue last year.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: TRapper]
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02/24/18 10:18 PM
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Im glad many people think like you Larry...you know how many moles we caught last season...we averaged $59.22 a mole and moles were almost 1/3 of our gross revenue last year.
I am glad you found your calling. This was about fur and trapping of fur. That is why I started the post. Maybe you could start a mole to millionaire thread. I would look at it after I am done working fur. Maybe a video or something?? LLL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/24/18 11:57 PM
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Ok LiL...10 4 good buddy...good run on coon...but if u throw mud to me i will gladly throw it back
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: TRapper]
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02/25/18 11:45 AM
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Ok LiL...10 4 good buddy...good run on coon...but if u throw mud to me i will gladly throw it back You have never had me sling mud on you. I just do not see the relevance of you catching some moles on a finished fur thread. If you feel that you want relevance please start your own thread. Here is a great place for that thread.... ADC Forum By the way your Lil play on my name is pretty childish but that is all it is. LLL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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02/25/18 11:49 AM
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And In this corner weighing In at. LOL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
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02/25/18 11:59 AM
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And In this corner weighing In at. LOL My pundits have nothing better to do right now. It has always blown me away to see the more you catch the more they hate. All I can do is just keep putting up unreal numbers and point out the lack of fur in my pundits shop. I have six coyotes to put up and then I will have very little to do but push back. This last bozo got me out hammering the coyotes because of his ignorance about what I knew. "You are no wolfer" LLL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
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There are always some disbelievers. LOL
I belie you and I know what It takes. I just think your nuts. LOL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
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Said it before...i have the know how to put numbers of coon up like that...i dont have the desire. Now mole trapping is diff. I have the desire there Well yea, "put bait here, set trap in front' or "set trap in coon trail" I think everyone is on board with that as far as know how. What hardly anyone wants to do is the 14 hour days for weeks on end like he is doing. Not to mention the prep work and marketing afterwards.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
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What some fail to realize is coon is the staple in the midwest. Go after 300 coyote at 30 is only $9,000. 2,000 coon at just $8 is $16,000. The check is what matters when it is all said and done.We can talk hours and put up and all of that,the $$$ is what matters.I doubt very few in the grand scheme of things done $16,000 comparing coyote to coon in the midwest.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
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And In this corner weighing In at. LOL My pundits have nothing better to do right now. It has always blown me away to see the more you catch the more they hate. All I can do is just keep putting up unreal numbers and point out the lack of fur in my pundits shop. I have six coyotes to put up and then I will have very little to do but push back. This last bozo got me out hammering the coyotes because of his ignorance about what I knew. "You are no wolfer" LLL Well put LL.I enjoyed the pictures and have great respect for your drive and work ethic.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
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02/25/18 01:02 PM
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I'm jealous of his coon population, is that the same thing? If I was in rat land like you I would go after huge numbers of them and would be hated for that so I guess it is similar. I think that is the point. I do not try to figure out reasons not to trap what I have. After all I am a free FUR trapper. LLL
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: LLtrapper]
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And In this corner weighing In at. LOL My pundits have nothing better to do right now. It has always blown me away to see the more you catch the more they hate. All I can do is just keep putting up unreal numbers and point out the lack of fur in my pundits shop. I have six coyotes to put up and then I will have very little to do but push back. This last bozo got me out hammering the coyotes because of his ignorance about what I knew. "You are no wolfer" LLL wow...childish to call someone a bozo Larry and also a lil childish to call people your pundits. At one time i am sure you were one as well, just like i have been before. I have never hated what you do bud...i have always given you credit for your hard work and catchin coon. I will stick by my statement that you aren't a wolfer. A true wolfer traps coyotes all season...that just ain't you bud. You are a cooner like dave plueger. Oh and i never once said "you don't know how to catch coyotes"...will give ya $100 cash if you can produce in one of my posts on here or iowatrapperstalk.com where i said those words. never said you don't work hard at what you do...it is amazing how you only see anything negative i have said about ya but totally miss the praise you receive from me.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
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I'm jealous of his coon population, is that the same thing? If I was in rat land like you I would go after huge numbers of them and would be hated for that so I guess it is similar. I think that is the point. I do not try to figure out reasons not to trap what I have. After all I am a free FUR trapper. LLL see Larry...you are a mudslinger too. that "free FUR trapper" was mud thrown right at me...so i guess we are in a dual with mud...works for me. I will be working in mud all week this week plantin traps...my work is just starting. really do hope you do well on those coon at auction...lot of work goes into finishing that many and catchin that many.
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Re: Some of my finished fur
[Re: lumberjack391]
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02/25/18 04:20 PM
02/25/18 04:20 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,476 Central IA
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Said it before...i have the know how to put numbers of coon up like that...i dont have the desire. Now mole trapping is diff. I have the desire there Well yea, "put bait here, set trap in front' or "set trap in coon trail" I think everyone is on board with that as far as know how. What hardly anyone wants to do is the 14 hour days for weeks on end like he is doing. Not to mention the prep work and marketing afterwards. amen...biggest catch on coon for me is 35 in one day and had em skinned by midnight...was so thankful the next day when only had 16. the most i have skinned in a 3 day period was 79 in 1998. Just don't have the desire to do it again. These guys got me whipped in about a 1/3 day of checking traps throughout the season. Happy for em. To run a long fur line it is work, work, work...there is no other word that goes into it. Takes a committment to be away from your family and any other part of your life for a few weeks day in and day out. with a supportive family like these guys have, they can do it and they do...do it. My busy time of year is just starting this week and i will be out 10 hour plus days mon-fri and sometimes sat. i work that way from end of feb through mid december. my play time is when these guys are in their flat out work time. A man just has to have time to get away and relax a lil. That is why i haven't hit the fur hard in last 2-3 years. I do enough just to keep the fire going and then i live through the young guys i teach here and their successes and failures.
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