Re: Marten pelt oddities
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I have caught a few with orange toes and tail tip,and a few canarys,unfortunately no pics. That first one is certainly unique.
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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02/25/18 11:58 AM
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Inbreeding?
The Seneca white deer are a rare herd of deer living within the confines of the former Seneca Army Depot in Seneca County, New York. When the 10,600-acre (43 km2) depot was created in 1941, a 24-mile (39 km) fence was erected around its perimeter, isolating a small herd of white-tailed deer, some of which had white coats. These deer are not albino, but instead carry a set of recessive genes for all-white coats. The isolation of the herd causes high levels of inbreeding.
In the 1950s, the depot commander forbade GIs from shooting any white deer. The deer population has since grown to about 700 head, approximately 300 of which are white, making it the largest herd of white deer in the world.
I also saw this with gray squirrels in an isolated population.
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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02/25/18 12:23 PM
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Interesting ebsurveyor. Thanks for the tale of the deer situation. I don't suspect this is the case with the two marten pictured, however, as they are certainly not isolated and populations from which they came are relatively good. Rather, I'd suspect just genetic anomalies amongst thousands of 'normals'.
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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Interesting ebsurveyor. Thanks for the tale of the deer situation. I don't suspect this is the case with the two marten pictured, however, as they are certainly not isolated and populations from which they came are relatively good. Rather, I'd suspect just genetic anomalies amongst thousands of 'normals'. Jack; since marten litters are so small...would you suspect an anomaly such as your top picture would also occur in litter mate/s ? Or just like foxes ...would you see all color phases in the same litter? Wondering because of the induced ovulation in marten possibly gives litter mates different dads ???
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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Just love those yellow and orange colours, Jack! What a fascinating subject ,is the marten clan, worldwide....one that I'm just scratching the surface in learning. What a grand hat that top one would make, with the tie tassels in that gorgeous bright yellow for contrast. Thank you for the share. See you on the surface
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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Billy "white shoes" Johnson marten are fairly common here. Probably 2 or 3 percent a year. It is unclear if this is because I'm inbred.
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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Billy "white shoes" Johnson marten are fairly common here. Probably 2 or 3 percent a year. It is unclear if this is because I'm inbred. NO COMMENT! LOL. How'd your season go Dirt? Hope you had a good one.
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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02/25/18 04:28 PM
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AV. That silver is not like anything I've seen previously. Cool. The real white-headed ones that are orange (the canaries) are quite common in the Minchumina area, and I've run into them elsewhere from time to time.
Dirt. I'm guessing that the white-toed/white-footed marten are probably about 5% in the western interior (just a guess). Interesting that you're seeing about the same.
White17. I'm guessing that the 2 anomalies pictured above were probably cross-over or some equally obscure genetic make-up, and would further venture to guess they were the only ones in the litters to display. Again, just guessing.
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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Am I the only guy whose marten have hair mites? Hippie I was sick for about three weeks and could barely stumble to sets. That slowed me down a little. Still got in a 5 mile stagger when I ran out of gas on a particularly mushy day. I was going pretty slow at the end, more resting than snowshoeing. We once made a blaze scarf. Just once.
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Re: Marten pelt oddities
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Here's an interesting white-footed, white-collared marten. Jack
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