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FHA Grades are up #6168772
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Pretty good - 13 days before the sale and grades are up.

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They have to be on top of things when selling in Helsinki. Sample bundles and everything have to be there when inspection starts.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168788
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Now just have to see how the beavers sell

Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168790
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My grades look good,lynx grades look excellent.Hope the prices are there.Lots of HVY grades in marten compared to NAFA.

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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Boco] #6168808
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Got my acc. No. The other day. But can't seem to log in, I'm a first time seller with FHA. Do I just need to contact them again?

Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168812
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25% of mine went 3X. Boco can you tell me how I'm stretching them wrong again?


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168827
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I never said you were stretching your marten wrong,I think you said I was stretching mine wrong.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Boco] #6168832
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Originally Posted By: Boco
My grades look good,lynx grades look excellent.Hope the prices are there.Lots of HVY grades in marten compared to NAFA.
So you had NAFA grade them before you sent them to FHA?

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No I split the catch right down the middle for weight size and colour.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Boco] #6168835
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Originally Posted By: Boco
I never said you were stretching your marten wrong,I think you said I was stretching mine wrong.


No, I said I did not like the way you put up your marten. I didn't tell you why. You pointed out that the way I did it would not improve my grade. IMO size is part of grade.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168837
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OK.3x are big marten,I doubt your boarding made them any bigger than they started out.

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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168848
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I've got an Oregon coastal kitty that graded xxl western heavy with a B belly. Let's how that translates to $$$.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168854
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Happy with my marten grading. Let’s see what the buyers are willing to pay.
FWIW I don’t have hardly any 3x sized marten here. Also, lots of pitch, and not due to how I catch them. Just what I have to work with.

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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Boco] #6168856
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Originally Posted By: Boco
OK.3x are big marten,I doubt your boarding made them any bigger than they started out.

I’ve stretch a few marten in my time. Can you really OVER stretch them? I used wood boards and push pins. The pins tear out, or the skin tears off the pin is it take it too far. I remember wide boards being tight for the neck to stretch over.

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Like any other pelt,I don't pull them tight on the board.I tap the board and pin the skirt across where the tail starts either square across or slightly angled down towards the outside.I mark my boards and if they are just at the line I will pull them over a half inch to make sure they make the size after shrinkage.If they are below the size line I back them off to a half inch over the next size down.
I pin the legs on the belly side the same way-I don't pull them down but pin where they hang,then spread them to dry with a few more pins.
You can lose a size by making improper opening cuts like any fur pelt,they are measured from the nose to where the tail attaches to the body,OR if scalloped at the skirt from the nose to the scallop.Borderline pelts with pointy noses will be dropped a size also.As will pelts stretched too narrow.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168875
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Mike,did you get any type of downgrade like a sd on the marten due to pitch as far as you know?


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168889
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We'll just have to see how things go.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Boco] #6168907
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Originally Posted By: Boco
OK.3x are big marten,I doubt your boarding made them any bigger than they started out.


No, they didn't get any bigger. That is not the goal. The goal is to grade bigger.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168910
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Your boarding cant make them grade any bigger than they actually are.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168941
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40 mink all 1x-lg

Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6168958
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First time shipping a western lynx cat to FHA and not clear on the grading of their catalog. Is this considered one of the better lots?

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In the beaver grading the RR stands for red rimmed. Is that just a color terminology or what does that mean?

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I would say yes, one of the better lots. Hope you do well.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: backroadsarcher] #6168968
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Originally Posted By: backroadsarcher
In the beaver grading the RR stands for red rimmed. Is that just a color terminology or what does that mean?

Usually happens in spring beaver and sometime fall ones. Basically beavers with too small or crowded of houses get it. Caused by being in urine and stains down by the tail. It light after the pelt is dry it's fairly easy to see it's reddish and the fur is coarse

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In the beaver grading the RR stands for red rimmed. Is that just a color terminology or what does that mean?

Usually happens in spring beaver and sometime fall ones. Basically beavers with too small or crowded of houses get it. Caused by being in urine and stains down by the tail. It light after the pelt is dry it's fairly easy to see it's reddish and the fur is coarse

Some of my beaver graded "RR" a few auctions ago. They actually brought decent money at that auction.

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I got a Fisher in Lot 5001 I'm happy. My coon were all caught within a mile of my house. Some were graded as: Canadian, North east Heavy, West North Central, East/Us, and Coat! smile


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: backroadsarcher] #6169023
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Originally Posted By: backroadsarcher
In the beaver grading the RR stands for red rimmed. Is that just a color terminology or what does that mean?

It is a red tint around the pelt. Usually has a designation of 4 or 8 in nafa catalog. That number references how far into the pelt it is. 4mm 8mm. It is usually discounted price but in today's hatter market I'm not so sure it makes a bit of difference. It does matter on those who buy for long hair or shearing markets

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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169031
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RR is a pretty good grade and brings a decent price overall.They are shearable pelts.The amount of red(how deep it goes) in the underfur affects value.


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thanks guys!

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How do you tell what section the pelts are graded in


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Txcoonman] #6169088
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Originally Posted By: Txcoonman
How do you tell what section the pelts are graded in

The catalog

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happy with my grades on rats(32) and coon(93) had 36 go 4/5 xl of which 23 were ab, 19 graded 2x ab the rest were 3x about a 50 50 split on ab and cd with little fresh coon on the sale hope they sell well

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I haven't shipped to Fur Harvesters for a few years so I thought I would split a bunch of coon and rats between NAFA and FHA. We'll see how they sell, but at this point I'm not too thrilled with their sizing and grading. I sent 225 rats to FHA. I carefully sized them before shipping. Their assessment of the 2x-3x rats was right on with mine, but they shifted almost 35 out of 120 rats from XL to L??

FHA was talking up the slate and blue coon all year so I sent them a bunch ( along with a few really nice ones). Again, we'll see how they sell, but all of the slate(some were really light slate) coon ended up as II's. At NAFA most of these slate coon would have been I-II's. Several of my white leathered coon ended up as II's??. Most of my white leathered coon graded I* or Select at NAFA.

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More knowledgeable graders at FHA ?


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Pretty bummed out on the fha grades for the cats myself sectioning wise, oh well we’ll see I guess


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How do you know what the white leathered ones graded? Curious as I can never say for sure which ones are which unless I was there. I have heard coons are a much tougher grade at FHA. Good luck hope it all works out for you

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Originally Posted By: Boco
Mike,did you get any type of downgrade like a sd on the marten due to pitch as far as you know?


Yes. My SD’s add up to what I noted in my quantity/color/size notes to being the ones that had heavy sap between the ears to hips.
Kind of a bummer. Like I said, it is what I have to work with.


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I would wash those in white gas before skinning if they are that bad.


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Really now..


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A Trapper partner gave me a marten one time that was literally covered in pitch from a white spruce or a balsam.He knew it wasn't worth skinning in that condition and so did I.I had a bucket of old gas in the gas shack so I took the whole marten and swished it around in the gas,then hung it out in the wind for a couple days(cold weather).Then I took it in and thawed it out and skinned it.It still had the gas smell but the fur was the nicest one in the pile.
I wouldn't do that unless there was a lot of pitch in the pelt.For a small spot If it is tight I will cut the skin and sew it.Maybe not practical if you have a bunch though.


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Boco had a marten like that one time too. Used very little white gas to clean it - just skinned it and got a very shallow pan with white gas in it and kept dipping it and combing, very gently, with progressively a finer comb toothed comb. Marten came out just fine. For small spots of pitch I have a lighter fluid can that I keep refilling with white gas (lighter fluid too expensive when white gas just so good and cheaper). Just squirt sparingly and tease the tangle apart - usually turns out just fine. Would never send away a marten with pitch in it. Works for me anyway as far as I can see.

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Boco, I'm curious about your statement that RR beaver are shearables? Care to elaborate about that?


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Originally Posted By: beaverpeeler
Boco, I'm curious about your statement that RR beaver are shearables? Care to elaborate about that?


So would I
And expand on "it's a good grade"


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I always thought that RR red rim or red rump was something you didn't want to see on your grade sheet.


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Originally Posted By: The Beav
I always thought that RR red rim or red rump was something you didn't want to see on your grade sheet.


If The Red Rim Coloration Extends Too Many Millimeter Down Into the Underfur, Then The Pelt Loses It's Value As A Shearable Product Because The Red Coloration Is Too Difficult To Dye Properly.

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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169642
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In other words just a touch of that red tint Is a reason to down grade.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169651
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My late caught beaver in the Willamette valley will sometimes grade out about 1/3 RR (red-rim) but not many would ever accuse those Willamette river beaver of being shearable.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169656
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Beaverpeeler look at the FHA fur handling manual.You will see where the RR grade falls.Its a shearable quality between the good pelts with no defects and the good slights.It is a pretty good grade.And brings a fair return when the market is decent.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169661
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Correct, it is NOT a good "grade" the beaver may be a good grade overall but the RR can discount it. If it was a good shearable beaver then it may not be with the RR

Most beaver seem to be bought for hatters anymore so I guess it doesn't matter lol


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169727
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I thought for a beaver to be shearable it had to grade heavy or at least semi-heavy. I get a few of those on our coast but I don't think I've had more than a handful in 40 years ever grade heavy off my main trapping river the Willamette. But I get tons of RR off of there.

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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169768
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From the FHA fur handling pdf:

......"Another defect which occurs in the spring is red rims (or rumps). This color defect is caused by urine which burns and stains the belly fur of the beaver. It starts at the tail and progresses up the flanks. The red stain goes into the underfur causing the beaver to become less valuable for plucking and shearing. This is the reason fall beaver are much more desirable than spring pelts."

Personally, I think it is caused by castor juice, as we are open water all year and beaver are not holed up in lodges. My RR's tend to have lots of castor juice in their pods.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169776
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Hmm
Sounds like what everyone was saying is correct. Well except boco smile


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169797
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Good luck on your mink. I still have 3 1x, xdk from last year, and they aren't even in the catalog for the next auction. In fact, there appears to be very few wild mink listed.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Starvalleytrappe] #6169801
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Originally Posted By: Starvalleytrappe
Hmm
Sounds like what everyone was saying is correct. Well except boco smile


No, everybody else is wrong again.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: beaverpeeler] #6169810
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Originally Posted By: beaverpeeler
From the FHA fur handling pdf:

......"Another defect which occurs in the spring is red rims (or rumps). This color defect is caused by urine which burns and stains the belly fur of the beaver. It starts at the tail and progresses up the flanks. The red stain goes into the underfur causing the beaver to become less valuable for plucking and shearing. This is the reason fall beaver are much more desirable than spring pelts."

Personally, I think it is caused by castor juice, as we are open water all year and beaver are not holed up in lodges. My RR's tend to have lots of castor juice in their pods.


I always figured It was a mixture of both the urine and the castor.
Maybe not so much at a established castor mound. But In all those places where the beaver just wipes It's butt on the ground and leaves that red colored deposit.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169817
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I am alright with the grades, and even managed to get a Marten in lot 3006. Might be a nice surprise.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169830
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1/2 of my beaver are Eastern, 1/2 are Western. Over 1/2 of my mink graded "Select". (Sorry cannot post pic).

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Just checked my grades on our Red Fox. Disappointed with there grading. Didn’t expect that many section II’s. Graded them myself and I thought they where not graded properly by fur quality. Color I am okay but I had a couple that I graded as flat IIs and they graded them better. Good for me. But the. Then others than I know where I-II semi heavy and some that where Heavy only went I-II regular. These where PA late December reds and really nice. Just think they went through them fast and didn’t really grade them well. Just my opinion.
I will see how NAFA grades my sons Red Fox next month. He has a bunch of late caught reds as well.
Hey I do think they graded my Possums well. Only need to send up another 999,990 and I will be a millionaire!


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: alaska viking] #6169978
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Originally Posted By: alaska viking
I am alright with the grades, and even managed to get a Marten in lot 3006. Might be a nice surprise.


The marten lot to watch for the "tops game” is 3018: 2X Select XDK. Last year it was lot 3013 same grade. One time of course it was 3001 had that grade description.

Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6169984
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all these beaver that graded RR were caught in the spring but it was just at breakup where there was ice still on the lakes and creeks. There were no castor mounds at all yet, They really were not even going to shore yet for fresh chewing.

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I think castor juice (and maybe some urine) can just have natural leakage without the beaver having to already be marking territory.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6170015
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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: backroadsarcher] #6170092
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Originally Posted By: backroadsarcher
all these beaver that graded RR were caught in the spring but it was just at breakup where there was ice still on the lakes and creeks. There were no castor mounds at all yet, They really were not even going to shore yet for fresh chewing.


Maybe they pee In the lodge during all that time being under the Ice. They say coon pee on themselves or on each other when denned up.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6170296
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At 33.32 Bosma tells you the RR shearables can be dyed,thats why the buyers pay good money for them.The RR defect,like I said earlier falls just below the good skins and better than the slt's.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Boco] #6170381
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Originally Posted By: Boco
At 33.32 Bosma tells you the RR shearables can be dyed,thats why the buyers pay good money for them.The RR defect,like I said earlier falls just below the good skins and better than the slt's.


And like everyone said
It's not that simple.
Depends on severity of RR

RR is not valuable
Nobody is looking to buy RR
They are looking to buy good skins of shearing quality or long hair or whatever the order is. They are buying the RR because it will work for what they need. So RR is NOT considered a good grade.

A shearable beaver is


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6170405
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RR is a shearable grade-look on the FHA pelt handling manual.
RR always brings a decent price right around the good slts.

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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Boco] #6170407
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Originally Posted By: Boco
RR is a shearable grade-look on the FHA pelt handling manual.

Sure


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: Starvalleytrappe] #6170423
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It will be interesting to review the sale results for NAFA and FHA for coon and rats. The pelts were sorted so that similar sizes and grades were shipped to both. The grades are very different, but the important thing will be sales price and that we won't know until after they are both over.

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That's true. But at what prices? I have never received the same money for a RR beaver then I did for one of the same size and fur quality as a none RR.
So good money Is a bit deceiving.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6170425
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You can see where the one rr on this shipment falls in relation to the good slts,and price very close.And you can see its a semi hvy-a shearable pelt.

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RR is a defect like a slt,Beav,but is negligible,still a good pelt.


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Who the heck cares about a RR beaver.

In fact, I can’t believe this is still being argued.


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Originally Posted By: mink99
Who the heck cares about a RR beaver.

In fact, I can’t believe this is still being argued.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6170455
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That it will.


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Originally Posted By: Dirt
Originally Posted By: mink99
Who the heck cares about a RR beaver.

In fact, I can’t believe this is still being argued.


It will make a nice red brim hat. smile


True.


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6170582
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Why quit now? We got a good one going!

All I will say is that RR does not make the beavers fur any longer or denser. If it was a Willamette river LT with RR it is not shearable.

But I will agree with Boco on the fact that I have had RR's bring me more money than I had expected.

When beaver prices are much stronger than they are at present RR's are better than SLT's for money.

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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6170606
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I never thought the RRs affected my grade much...given the beaver here are awesome to begin with.

Just sayin' .


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Re: FHA Grades are up [Re: crosspatch] #6170678
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RR doesn’t affect my price much here either in northern Mi but I don’t get many with RR either.

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Well we will just have to see on the March sale. Whether it is a $20 or a $15 beaver it is still useable. I am sure they will be more RR graded beaver in my future.

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