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old hudson bay piece #6168882
02/24/18 05:50 PM
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anyone know what this is

Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168895
02/24/18 06:00 PM
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If it is real it is a token given out by the Hudson Bay Trading Co. Value equal to one beaver pelt.


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168899
02/24/18 06:03 PM
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what year is it an what value does anyone know

Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168901
02/24/18 06:04 PM
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ill trade ya a beaver pelt for it


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168908
02/24/18 06:08 PM
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I'm quite sure pre 1900s

It looks real but these days you never know.


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168911
02/24/18 06:14 PM
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I know a guy that has a nice collection of all kinds of those fur tokens,and a bunch of other stuff from the old days of the fur trade.


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168913
02/24/18 06:14 PM
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Idaho, Lemhi County
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I remember reading somewhere that before the 'official' HB Beaver made tokens were produced out of brass (in 1, 1/2, 1/4, and 1/8 made beaver values), there were tokens made of wood, bone, and other metals. Might this be one of those? Real interesting, whatever it is, and I look forward to someone's definitive answer. Cool...

Jack


Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168916
02/24/18 06:18 PM
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it was bought at auction with these three traps

Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168921
02/24/18 06:23 PM
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From what I have seen looking it up on google, it is pre 1850's, the only example of one similar to yours I found on Pinterest but it has 2 cartouches/trademarks above the beavers head and tail, some of the best condition pieces on eBay are very spendy and I imagine they are more rare examples because one was around 2700.00 and a few other of the minted tokens were around 7-800.00. I am still searching for something closer to your example.


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168940
02/24/18 06:45 PM
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A guy on Pinterest has a set of 3 that look almost identical to yours but I think his are fake, he has them labeled as 1733 hand cast silver trade tokens valued at 65.00, his are way too clean and bright with no patina of any kind and they aren't in packages for protection. I was going to post a link but it looks as though it was taken off Pinterest.



Here are two other links of pictures similar to your token.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/148055906472489899/
http://stores.cafr.ebay.ca/antiquehunts


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168959
02/24/18 07:11 PM
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Tresurenet.com has a sub forum listed as Fur Trade Artifacts .Someone there might have more info about what you have

Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168967
02/24/18 07:25 PM
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Be very careful. Those have been copied/reproduced a lot!

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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6168976
02/24/18 07:31 PM
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Neat, I want one.


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6169000
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A friend of mine used to cast replicas out of pewter and silver, and with a little "aging" they looked very authentic.

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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Moosetrot] #6169223
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Originally Posted By: Moosetrot

A friend of mine used to cast replicas out of pewter and silver, and with a little "aging" they looked very authentic.

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He would not be a friend of mine doing BS like that if he is selling them with out it having on it "Copy" on it , I am a coin collector and I am sick of all the counter fits being produced of rare coins its not good for the hobby or for an investor.


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6169268
02/25/18 12:01 AM
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I think the "copies" on eBay are the ones selling for 42-45 dollars, the real ones fetch far more, on a collecter sales site they were listing some between 400-800.00, on eBay they have some (very few actually) selling in that price range and 1 I saw listed for 2700.00 as I mentioned above, there is a very wide variety of these tokens out there, the earliest versions were pretty crudely made but are interesting for sure.


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6169301
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He was selling them with full disclosure that they were copies and in no way represented them as originals...ever. As one of the most talented silversmiths I ever ran into, he could very well have counterfeited them as originals but he never did.

Edit: Was just talking to my wife about this and she reminded me that virtually every piece he made had his own touchmark cast into them.

He was what I call a good friend until he died of cancer 3 years ago. I still consider him a good friend and miss his friendship and talents a lot.

'Nuff said!????

Moosetrot


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6169569
02/25/18 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: Trapper Dahlgren
it was bought at auction with these three traps
That was Quite the Auction... Congrats!


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6169573
02/25/18 10:39 AM
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I've got a similar one but pretty sure it's a newer reproduction piece.

Mac


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Re: old hudson bay piece [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6169594
02/25/18 10:52 AM
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Not high jacking this thread, but I found this book at a junk shop years ago....would like to add some HB pieces to go along with this booklet....


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Thought I was a good bowhunter until I targeted mature bucks....
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