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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6101503
12/27/17 06:36 AM
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It took around 100 years for PA's elk herd to reach a huntable population. Unlike KY we didn't drop 1500 elk on the ground in a very short period of time. Ours were brought here from out west, Michigan and an elk farm in the early 1900's. There are groups of elk in and around the town of Bennezette that are extremely habituated to humans. Everyone looks at those elk and thinks all of PA's are the same. They couldn't be further from the truth. There's a small herd near me that not many realize are there. These elk are really good at avoiding people. I've only ever caught them with a spotlight once and accidentally came upon the twice while hunting crows near the one farm.


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6101769
12/27/17 10:38 AM
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I posted this on the Martin thread, I guess I missed the Elk thread getting resurrected. I definitely say give up on the Elk, my guess is they where never in far Northern WI, they are a prairie animal we pushed into the mountains. If they make it they make it but quit following them around like cattle. I know from a very good source that Clam Lake was a second choice. They were originally going to the pine barrens in the Washburn peninsula, but the Orchard operators fought it and got it changed. They also didn't like the Butternut herd splitting off and going out of the N Forest, so they rounded most of them up, killed a few in the process, and believe it or not they are coming back. It's like they have a mind of their own.

Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6102039
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Start a season and the agricultural community acceptance of the elk will skyrocket. It is about value. Until then, they will only see the cost.


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6169313
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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6169345
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Can't be putting all these elk researchers out of work can we.

Talk about a waste of money. Same as with marten research.


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: The Beav] #6169422
02/25/18 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
Can't be putting all these elk researchers out of work can we.

Talk about a waste of money. Same as with marten research.


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6182963
03/10/18 02:29 AM
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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6215022
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I see WDNR announced the tag price. $49 is what it will be. Now if I can just win the lottery.
Imagine the revenue this hunt will generate for the state. Applications go on sale 5/1 for $10.


RMEF has yet to announce on their website what the raffle ticket costs will be for the 1 tag they get.

It'll be interesting to see if the tribes use the five tags that they get.

Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6215050
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Don’t the natives already harvest them without needing a permit?

Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6215084
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Hopefully not.

Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6215462
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Originally Posted By: handitrapper
I received an email yesterday stating that Wisconsin recently released 31 new elk into the Flambeau River State Forest. This should help keep our ever growing wolf population fed for another year or two.


I'd guess that's why the MNDNR is so hesitant about introducing elk into NE MN too. They claim they have to do more research on whether the habitat is suitable or not. I can help them out on that......IT'S NOT! TOO MANY WOLVES! They are afraid to stand up to the animal rights activists. Guess they aren't smart enough to understand that it's the fisherman, hunters, trappers, etc. dollars that make it possible for them to have a job, not the animal rights people.


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6215558
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Originally Posted By: handitrapper
Don’t the natives already harvest them without needing a permit?


Yes, I read a year or 2 ago they shot a spike for some kind of ritual. Probably at night in the car headlights.


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: rpmartin] #6215585
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Originally Posted By: rpmartin
Originally Posted By: handitrapper
Don’t the natives already harvest them without needing a permit?


Yes, I read a year or 2 ago they shot a spike for some kind of ritual. Probably at night in the car headlights.


True. Nobody was cited.

Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: rpmartin] #6215588
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Originally Posted By: rpmartin
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Don’t the natives already harvest them without needing a permit?


Yes, I read a year or 2 ago they shot a spike for some kind of ritual. Probably at night in the car headlights.


Yeh, they're great conservationists. Just ask em.


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6215729
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They're hard to figure out. I guess anything's possible. I will say, though, that without the donations from the Tribe in Jackson County, I'm not sure the Jackson County elk herd would be reality.

Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6215787
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I see the signs around Millston of the elk but have yet to see one!


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6215851
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Elk were one of the wider spread species in North America pre-European arrival. Southern Michigan's wall-to-wall hardwood forests were full of them, as were most of the eastern states. Elk were also found in the open prairie, but were also found in the mountains...coast to coast. We didn't "chase them to the mountains" as has been posted, the ones in the remote mountains were just the last ones left after the white folks shot all the ones in the east. They shot off all the easily accessible ones in the west too. Buffalo (Bison) were also found in large numbers in the eastern woodlands. They didn't last as long as the elk....too tasty, big, and easy to find for their own good. Ky and Pa had gobs of them, but only briefly after Europeans and their guns arrived. It sure would have been something to see.


Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6216258
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There is a head of a big bull elk in the Mcdonough County Courthouse with a plaque under it saying it was the last wild elk killed in Illinois. I forget the date but I think it was in the 40's It has the newspaper article with it telling how the sheriff shot it because it was eating someone's corn.
There is an interesting article in a book called the history of Perry Co Pa about buffalo stampeding and killing people


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Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6216394
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Lazarus, thank you or your insight. That is the best explanation I have ever read for reasons states cooperate in wildlife management.

Many Ky. hunters complain that KY DNR is giving away THEIR elk and getting nothing. They begrudge every one that is trapped and leaves the state. They don't remember that THEIR elk came here from some other state willing to let them go.It is just selfishness and greed that rears its ugly head too often anytime there is a conflict with competing interests.

For example,when deer were reintroduced into eastern Ky. not that many years ago I was talking with some fox hunters. Actually fox "chasers". They ran foxes with dogs. Just to chase them. They said they didn't like deer being brought in. It caused their dogs to run away chasing them. So they shot the deer illegally every chance they got. They said they put out old car batteries and broke open their tops so deer would be poisoned when they licked them.

That mindset of "my sport is all that matters" and who cares about anything or anybody else is at the root of problems and regulations made necessary in wildlife management. The wildlife that mostly has to be regulated and controlled is people. Cooperation and consideration works for everybody. Somewhere along the line teaching that has failed.
Personally, I don't think Ky. is going to get enough habitat help from Wis. to make a great difference in grouse recovery in Ky. I don't expect anything can but a better set of grouse genes. Maybe the dispersal of elk around the country and interstate contacts and connections between the DNR departments is all we get out of it. But as you pointed out, some day that may pay off for OUR elk.

Re: Wisconsin Elk [Re: handitrapper] #6216431
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I thank you (Kentucky) for allowing us some of your elk. I was wondering how the grouse exchange was working out for you.

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