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#6186542 - 03/13/18 03:11 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
danny clifton Offline
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Why did the citizens of PA allow a 3 day waiting period in the first place Hippie????????????? Where was the NRA when that debacle was being created?????????????????
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#6186543 - 03/13/18 03:11 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
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For an analogy, was no speed limits, than it turned to say 55mph. You join and pay an organization to get rid of speed limits again. They get the limit raised to 60mph. Oh good golly, what a great thing.

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#6186544 - 03/13/18 03:11 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
hippie Offline
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Registered: 02/22/10
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And just what have you and Finns groups amounted to?

ZIP, Nadda, Nothing, Zilch, Zero, a fart in the wind, but you come here telling people to not support a pro-gun org. Put up or shut up is what i've always been told.

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#6186546 - 03/13/18 03:12 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: danny clifton]
Trapper7 Offline
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Registered: 12/27/06
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
If you think ANY of these 2nd amendment infringements has ever lowered the percentage of crime you are living in fantasy land.


In fact, it's proven where there are more stringent gun controls in force, firearm violence is much more prevalent. Places like Chicago, Detroit, DC, etc.
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#6186549 - 03/13/18 03:13 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: danny clifton]
hippie Offline
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
Why did the citizens of PA allow a 3 day waiting period in the first place Hippie????????????? Where was the NRA when that debacle was being created?????????????????


I don't know, i wasn't born yet.

Where was your group? Why didn't your better way stop it?


Edited by hippie (03/13/18 03:13 PM)

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#6186551 - 03/13/18 03:15 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: danny clifton]
Trapper7 Offline
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
Trapper7 NRA supported the gun control acts of 34 and 68 though at the time they were not exactly a lobbying group. In 68 Charlton Hesston was on TV in ads telling everybody what a great thing gun control was.

When Bill Clinton was pushing for insta check, the NRA, a 100% lobbying group by now, promising to fight all infringements on the right to bare arms, spent a LOT of money supporting it. The NRA sent out flyers and called them "polls". The polls were in fact extoling the need for back ground checks at time of sale.

Now the NRA is continually pretending to be on your side fighting the "gun show loophole" crowd. There is no loophole but the whole notion came about because of the not so instant insta check. The insta check the NRA SUPPORTED.

I get a laugh when they talk about saving hearing by doing away with licensing suppressors also. The NRA was a backer of the 1934 act that required the license.

There is a start for you trapper7. Quit being lazy. Do your own research.

The REAL goal of the NRA is to keep making money, lots of money, for a handful of people at the top of their food chain.


I guess you missed the part where I said I quit the NRA. Obviously, you aren't a member either.
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#6186554 - 03/13/18 03:18 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
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Put up or shut up<< another great recruiting slogan.

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#6186555 - 03/13/18 03:18 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
danny clifton Offline
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Hey I'm just telling the rest of the story. If you don't want to hear it quit reading.

Trapper 7 those laws stop people who want to commit a crime about as well as they stop junkies from buying heroin. They are also UNCONSTITUTIONAL. If we allow our right to be armed to be compromised how long before our right to assemble gets infringed on or our right to free speech or religion or to be represented in government? Quit thinking like a subject and embrace your liberty.
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#6186560 - 03/13/18 03:22 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
danny clifton Offline
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trapper7
Still don't know why Finn keeps thinking the NRA has been compromising away our rights to own a firearm. Wish he'd offer some factual information.


I'm not Finn but get tired of people telling me the NRA is a wonderful organization and I should support them no matter what. Or at least as long as they claim to be my advocate in Washington.
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#6186563 - 03/13/18 03:24 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: danny clifton]
Lugnut Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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The two guys spending a lot of time on this thread bashing the NRA refuse to give us a better alternative, a better place to spend our dollars in defense of 2A. Even though they have been asked repeatedly to do so. Why is that?

As has been pointed out repeatedly on this thread, the NRA is the most effective gun lobby in this Country, period.

I wish you two would put up an answer or shut up.
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#6186565 - 03/13/18 03:25 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
pcr2 Offline
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Registered: 05/17/10
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Loc: potter co. p.a.
do you belong to any trappers org's danny even though they allowed the gov.to take away our rights to use teeth on traps.did the nta let that happen??
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#6186567 - 03/13/18 03:26 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
danny clifton Offline
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hippie, I didn't stop it or fight it because quite frankly living east of the Mississippi river has never interested me. Not even a little bit. Wasn't my business is what I thought when I was young. The older I get though the smaller the world gets and I see how infringement of constitutionally RECOGNIZED rights in any part of our country have a negative effect on all of us.
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#6186571 - 03/13/18 03:29 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
danny clifton Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Loc: williamsburg ks
I belong to the FTA pc2 though I've no clue what that has to do with this. BTW teeth on traps are not banned everywhere. Its not a federal law its some state's law. Teeth on traps is not a constitutionally recognized right not to be infringed on.
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#6186574 - 03/13/18 03:30 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 9809
Loc: MN
How is it bashing? I am telling you to look at what is going on. If you're fine with that-FINE! If not join another organization that better suits you or don't join any at all. Don't get your undies all in a wad because I'm not falling in for a lock step march down the road of compromise.

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#6186576 - 03/13/18 03:35 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
danny clifton Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
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Lugnut the best group to join is the group at your polling station on election day. There have already been some organizations mentioned that want to see our right restored 100%. If you don't want to read the posts quit asking for answers. Do you need somebody to hold your hand and point them out?????????????
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#6186582 - 03/13/18 03:41 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
pcr2 Offline
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Registered: 05/17/10
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How'd you 2 survive Waco.
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#6186591 - 03/13/18 03:49 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: danny clifton]
bblwi Offline
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Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4328
Loc: East-Central Wisconsin
The two guys spending a lot of time on this thread bashing the NRA refuse to give us a better alternative, a better place to spend our dollars in defense of 2A. Even though they have been asked repeatedly to do so. Why is that?

As has been pointed out repeatedly on this thread, the NRA is the most effective gun lobby in this Country, period.

I wish you two would put up an answer or shut up.

At this time there is in my opinion no better option or more correctly organization to carry the water for gun owners. That being said being the only resource puts tremendous responsibility on that organization to be knowledgeable about what may well be the best course to take when 80 plus million depend upon your stances. I think one of the larger issues that the politicians on a federal level will face is not the gun issue and the NRA. It is the fact that a huge percentage of those that are strong 2nd amendment rights advocates also advocate for many other very conservative causes, such as abortion, private education, vouchers, less social programs for say drug addiction etc. etc. As we have more social issues and with a widening of the income gap from the majority and the fewer wealthy the voters are going to make choices that will best fit their position and or situation. The way we are playing politics today can well dismantle long held solid values just as a consequence of not paying attention to where our culture is moving toward.


Bryce

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#6186596 - 03/13/18 03:57 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 9809
Loc: MN
I've said it already numerous times GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA!!! If no compromise is your thing-there is an organization. Join it, don't join it. IDGAF. I'll say this once again as well; if compromise is your thing, stay with the NRA.

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#6186603 - 03/13/18 04:06 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: FlyinFinn]
Lugnut Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 6790
Loc: SEPA
And I'll say it again, "GOA is weak and ineffectual compared to the NRA!"

Nothing wrong with belonging to both or multiple groups. But no group mentioned on this thread has the political clout and financial backing to get things done the way the NRA does. And they have done far more good for gun owners than any other group.

You two may not like it, but those are the facts.
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#6186608 - 03/13/18 04:12 PM Re: Companies no longer supporting the NRA [Re: corky]
FlyinFinn Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 9809
Loc: MN
Keep sending your dues and maybe if the newsletter gets you advance notice of the next Gun related compromise up YOUR sleeve you can give the rest of some notice too.

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