Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/03/18 10:25 PM
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The advantage of something like a Powerbelt other than accuracy is that they are a lot heavier than a round ball and therefore can have greater killing power. If you are talking about muzzleloader hunting I would use a conical if legal and I wouldn't be too concerned about the economics when it comes to making sure you have the most lethal round possible. If you're just shooting for fun then go for the round balls and see what load and patching works best with your rifle.
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/03/18 10:29 PM
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The round ball does better in a longer twist barrel. Mine is a 54. caliber with a 1 in 60 twist. Very accurate . The tighter twist a barrel has the better in will stabilize the longer conical bullets .
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/03/18 10:42 PM
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The twist in your barrel will likely be the biggest factor effecting your accuracy. I don't know what the twist is in your inline... Probably faster than a sidelock.
If it's a fast twist you might be able to reduce your powder charge some to keep a patched ball from stripping past the rifling... But I don't know how much advantage that would give you on shooting at game.
Mike
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/03/18 10:55 PM
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Generally speaking, inlines aren't round ball shooters to begin with. They usually have shorter barrels with a faster twist and are intended to shoot a conical round that is longer and heavier . If you want to shoot round balls (because it's a whole lot cheaper) buy a gun with a long barrel and a slow twist that is made for that, like, say, my Lyman Plains Rifle in 54.
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/03/18 11:27 PM
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horaday xtp 250 grain bullet in a sabot, most deer are dead right there.
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/04/18 01:01 AM
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I agree with the conical bullet deal in an inline, so if budget is a concern, just buy a conical bullet mold and pour your own.
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/04/18 01:40 AM
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The short answer in this, is do not shoot round balls, as what is the price of shooting a deer with a 182 grain lead ball, which does not kill as efficiently as the loads available in the minnie balls or the sabots. For deer, the sabot is the choice as components are affordable, and you can shoot a jacketed bullet which will penetrate and kill far more effectively.
There is the issue of twist in an inline is reamed faster than the old round balls in being 1 in 48. You should ask yourself why the old hunters threw those round balls away, as did the military for maxie and minnie balls, and the answer was range and killing power offered in the heavy bullet. With slower moving black powder, a major factor is the weight of the bullet for penetration as speed is not available.
If you had a chance to harvest a trophy buck of a lifetime which weighed 300 pounds, do you want to be standing there regretting you had an inferior round ball because it was cheaper as it ran off and you spend hours trying to find it.
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/04/18 08:57 AM
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Turkey sent you a PM. I have Lee R.e.a.l. bullets in 250 grain 50 cal I could send you to try.
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/04/18 09:43 AM
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I use a side lock and used round ball in it beside real bullet and yes you can take down a deer.but alot of times they do not stay down if the twist in your barrel is not made for the size and use of what you are usen.I found that out the hard way.If like stated if it is a fast twist like my side locks are then it is for sabot. If it is slow twist it is made for round ball and real bullet.So for the fast twist for my side lock is made for sabots and cast bullets of use for 45-70. It is over a 1" boolit.the mold is from Lee and say for the weight of about 405grs depend on the alloy you use.I use it this deer season during the early muzzle loader season and got a young 8 point at about 35yards and the deer drop in its tracks.Did not get that with round balls in the same rifle and same amount of powder by volume.I just buy the sabots and cast my own boolits.It works for me now.I did get a used side lock with a slow twist that will be able to use the round ball and patch and real bullets I got it already.If it takes 24" to do one complete turn when you pull the rod up. You have a fast twist in your barrel.It is for sabots. If it take 48" for one complete turn then it is for real bullet and round ball to get the best out of that barrel. If it is wrong for what I wrote then please correct it.
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/04/18 10:36 AM
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I use the Hornady 240grn XTP .44 cal hollow points in green sabot sleeves, deadly bullet with very very good accuracy, longest kill on a deer with it for me was 125 yards from a CVA inline. I paid right around 20-22.00 per 100 plus another 7.00 or so for the sleeves.
Mark Skokan, Buffalo MN.
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Re: muzzleloader round balls
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03/04/18 04:46 PM
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The short answer in this, is do not shoot round balls, as what is the price of shooting a deer with a 182 grain lead ball, which does not kill as efficiently as the loads available in the minnie balls or the sabots. For deer, the sabot is the choice as components are affordable, and you can shoot a jacketed bullet which will penetrate and kill far more effectively.
There is the issue of twist in an inline is reamed faster than the old round balls in being 1 in 48. You should ask yourself why the old hunters threw those round balls away, as did the military for maxie and minnie balls, and the answer was range and killing power offered in the heavy bullet. With slower moving black powder, a major factor is the weight of the bullet for penetration as speed is not available.
If you had a chance to harvest a trophy buck of a lifetime which weighed 300 pounds, do you want to be standing there regretting you had an inferior round ball because it was cheaper as it ran off and you spend hours trying to find it. Well, come on now, the whole idea of shooting the round ball in the first place is so that you can be proud of the work you did there, if you happen to be shooting a round ball shooter. My .54 is a 235 grain pill and will go through both front shoulders of any deer within the reasonable limits of this gun. I don't have to take that trophy buck at any cost if I have to lower my morals to do it.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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