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Re: muzzleloader round balls [Re: star flakes] #6177770
03/04/18 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: star flakes
The short answer in this, is do not shoot round balls, as what is the price of shooting a deer with a 182 grain lead ball, which does not kill as efficiently as the loads available in the minnie balls or the sabots.
For deer, the sabot is the choice as components are affordable, and you can shoot a jacketed bullet which will penetrate and kill far more effectively.

There is the issue of twist in an inline is reamed faster than the old round balls in being 1 in 48. You should ask yourself why the old hunters threw those round balls away, as did the military for maxie and minnie balls, and the answer was range and killing power offered in the heavy bullet. With slower moving black powder, a major factor is the weight of the bullet for penetration as speed is not available.

If you had a chance to harvest a trophy buck of a lifetime which weighed 300 pounds, do you want to be standing there regretting you had an inferior round ball because it was cheaper as it ran off and you spend hours trying to find it.
If you know what your gun can do then you can get whatever you like with it.Also with shot placement also.So a round ball in the right twist barrel will do what it needs to do.This also remind me that you can not shoot cast bullets because it leads up too much.


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Re: muzzleloader round balls [Re: turkey] #6177933
03/04/18 09:08 PM
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I would think in-lines have a 1-28" twist. Best suited for conical projectiles. My 40 caliber is 1-48" which is about right for that caliber down to 32 caliber. My .50 is 1-60" twist rate and it will hold a great group out to 60 yards which is about as far as I can see the target.

Re: muzzleloader round balls [Re: turkey] #6178055
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you can shoot round balls in a 1:28 twist but you can't push them very hard .

you can load a Hornady great planes connical they work very well for deer track of the wolf has them for 50 cents each

or learn to pour your own Lee R.E.A.L

I pour 320gr Lee R.E.A.L I got started pouring them with a stainless steel sauce pan from good-will on a camp stove with a borrowed mold and a soup ladle. I poured a bunch and shot them and liked them so I bought my own mold for 20 dollars , I now have a better electric pot but if your just pouring enough for you you can get a mold and do it on a camp stove , a few hours one afternoon and you have a supply for a few years if you know someone who casts you might be able to visit them with pounds of lead and make a several year supply in an hour or two.


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Re: muzzleloader round balls [Re: turkey] #6178133
03/05/18 12:03 AM
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I shoot an in-line with self poured Maxi-Hunters. I bought a mold and buy lead flashing off Craigslist. Using a propane burner and a lead pot I’m able to melt and pour lead cheaper than buying round balls. I had to make a bullet sizer to get consistent diameters for consistent shooting. My sizer forms the bullets to .504.

I always shoot FFG black powder and will not change to modern powders. I used to shoot pyrodex but had horrible groups. Much better with FFG.

The way I do it isn’t for everyone but I’ve taken a number of deer using low budget lead.

I’ve also seen many deer taken with round ball. My thoughts are buy some round balls, lubed pillow ticking, and hit the range. I say the s because my 1:28 twist White Mountain Carbine shoots balls very well. Every gun is different though.


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Re: muzzleloader round balls [Re: turkey] #6178588
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Today i'm fitting a custon .45 barrel to a handi-rifle today and got to thinking.....Scary, i know, lol.

I bought my first muzzleloader in the late 70's from Dutch at Cocolamus creek. It was a traditions Pa. long rifle, flint lock kit in .45.
Any guesses what i paid for it?

Re: muzzleloader round balls [Re: turkey] #6178594
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$75 or so, I'de say.

I sure like my .54 Lyman Plains Rifle. When I know I'm going to take in the black powder season, I just spend the whole fall small game hunting with it as it's cheap to shoot. Once you get yourself handy, head shooting grouse and hares...you just go ahead and take what ever deer you want . I have never had a lung shot deer go more than 70 yards, and I've never missed the lungs. I've took quite a few . It is a long gun and about 9lbs, a percussion sidelock. When I went to the occasional shoot, I could hit a milk jug at 100 yards offhand, 3 out of 5 shots, all day long . That would qualify me for another heat.


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Re: muzzleloader round balls [Re: turkey] #6178603
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I got change back from a 50 Les. It was either 44.95 or 45.95 +tax, i forget exactly but i do know a fifty bought it with some room to spare.

Shot a handful of deer with it but haven't used it for quite awhile now.

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I have one 54cal, a cap lock gun. Traded for it. Most of my muzzleloaders are 50 and 45's.

I'm sold on the 45's. Shot a deer in Iowa a couple years back at 200yds. My buddies had shotguns and couldn't think about shooting as far as i was. The trajectory is much better with a 45 and with today's bullets is plenty to kill deer at that yardage.

Not sure why 45's didn't catch on like the 50's, but there's no denying the 50's took over the market unles you o with a custom barrel.

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I have killed deer with round ball 45s all my life never had a problem in there effective range, have helped freinds get there inlines tuned up and they shoot good with round ball, I wouldn't be afraid of a 50 round at 100 at all! They'll flattin um with the right load!

Re: muzzleloader round balls [Re: turkey] #6178717
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I say that the .54 is plenty of gun, especially if you small game hunt with it, lol. It is not affected very much in the wind on the range either. That being said, the fella that got me into this discipline, had a nice little .32 and if I'm remembering right, it took regular buckshot, very accurate and fun to shoot.


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