Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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I shut my rig off and use a push pole if sets are real close.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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03/12/18 09:21 PM
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your better 0ff in 14 ft than a 12, the extra lenght will let ya plane up a little more than the shorter boat......let the water tell ya what to run, v or jon.....there is nothing wrong with a v really and for most part they are tougher.....lotta that mudmotor,com talk is about irrelevent to trappers.....all welded flat bottom yada yada....many rivers ive trapped there is no boat ramp and you aint gonna get one of those heavy things in the water to begin with....kinda like the jeep rock crawler crowd, what they run for ulimate climbing aint relivant to most offroad crowd as ya cant hardly drive a rock crawler rig down the highway......be careful some the lightest flimzyest joh boats, you can run a log right thru the hull or tear off transom if ya tried hard enough.......if your running a small under 10 hp, especially smaller like a 6.5, you aint got enough HP to worry about ulimate boat design, top end speed, etc....to a degree really.
If your on big water be careful with a small skinny jon, throw 150 lbs of mudmotor on it, then add weight like a trapper, where max payload rating is a understood to be a good starting point, throw some 2 ft rollers out there you can end up being some good crappie fishing structure....sometimes motoring mile and 1/2 along reedline in 3-4 ft of water, is the smarter thing to do than the 1/2 mile run across 25 ft of water
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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Les take that 6.5 and hop it up like the gokart komakazi fantazy indy driver crowd does, they say they can get 14 hp outta a 6.5, and get ya one of them new hongkong chopstick surface drives with a sewer snake flexible driveshaft, and get'r done!!!.....id advise wearing level 3 body armour and kevlar helmit, so when the sewer snake driveline fly apart from being ran 4x the rpm they are designed for, your ready for it.....couse some guys like scars....when the ole barroom who got the coolest scar talk comes up the "heres the one i got when they had to pull the alum mudmotor prop outta my forehead" would be hard to beat....LOL
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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Muskrat, I think it's referring to us rat trappers that are constantly turning...or trying to (at non consistent speeds). Of course that's a far different application to river trapping. If the huts are that close together I say break out the oars! Couple G worth of mudmotor hanging off back of boat, and you want to PADDLE?.....SACRILEGE!!!! I get (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off if i gotta pick up the dam push pole more than twice.......LOL
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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When you got a feeder flat, or toilet every 20' or closer, you grab the push pole. I love them honey pockets.
I plan on the free flow air filter, Robertson torque tube/and muffler, and rejet my 6.5 to get the most out it while keeping close to stock. If you buy the SPS rig, there is a good online forum for owners that has a lot of info about the subject of SPS rigs/makes/and builds . I wouldn't build the screamer for my rat rig, but I would free up the "flow" of air and fuel. There is an adjustable jet for my rig, I hear.
In a way, I wish my little Monkey wards type boat was all it is but 2' longer and that light...then I would up the hp a little .
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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42" beam x 14' and it is a shallow boat, nothing you would go a half mile over 25' of water with a load in on questionable rough water .
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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Electric start I motor to bout everything, even the other side of the hut
Heck I wanna find a way to motor from the back, to the front of the boat
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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Heck I wanna find a way to motor from the back, to the front of the boat
Me too, but for now I'll keep working at it. I will say that if you start and kill, start and kill, your 6.5 predator all the time...it does suck to not have an extra rewind rope with you when that breaks after starting in 40 times when the rope was getting stranded, thinking it would hold for one more start. There is no 6.5 with electric.
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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Briggs makes one Les....also there are some lifetime superbraid starter ropes out there now
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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Calvin, do you have center council or tiller steering ?
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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03/14/18 06:59 PM
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Tiller, Les. We all trap different body's of water. I'm just trying to figure out the differences here, I guess. I thought maybe I had seen surface drive, power trim, and center consul once in a pic. I remember oars, and I carry a pair, along with a push pole, and my handle is balsam fir, and 30 years old too . I tie down my running motor similar to how Muskrat does it .
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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I always keep oars in the boat as well. Had a bad shaft snap on me last spring... with a dozen beaver and a load of traps and rebar in the boat. Oars and oar locks can save your butt in some cases. If that ever happened to Rich he'd just shrug his shoulders, mutter a few expletives, throw a bow line out, strip down to his skivvies, jump overboard, and drag that boat from hut to hut! The man is a beast!!!
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Re: Mud Motors-Surface Drive or Long Tail
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Balsam fir is super light, lol. And common . You should see the handles on my line up of garden tools.
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