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Attention Ky trappers!!! #6182368
03/09/18 02:17 PM
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First of all thank you Paul Dobbins for approving my membership. I have read almost all of your Dad's books and watched some of yours and his dvd's. I really like the books were he talks about experience's on the trapline.

Please take time to read this long post. Especially if your a young trapper from Ky.

Hey guys, how is everyone doing? I would like to say that I am not one for drama but I figured I would make this post and hopefully it will save someone from the aggravation that I have went through the last couple of days. So here it goes.

I went to the fur auction in Glenville Wv on March 4th. It cost me around $40 bucks in gas and took me around 3 hours and 15 minutes one way. As you can see in the pic below I had 19 coyotes, 3 bobcats, 13 beaver, 4 coon, and 3 muskrats. (I had vehicle problems this year and couldn't trap like I wanted.) When I was unloading my fur someone was bragging on how nice my coyotes were. When I got there I filled out my consignment sheet and headed back home. As it was a long trip. (Pictures at end of post)

I was anxious to see what I got out of my fur so I called a member Of the Wv trappers association. He was very helpful as he answered my questions through phone and email. You know who you are, thank you. He called me back and he told me "Don't be mad" at this point I figured it wont be too bad but not all that good. He told me I got $25 dollars out of all the fur listed below, thats right $25 bucks! An average of around .60 cent a hide (green hide) Obviously I was shocked. I have sold a lot of fur and have never had this problem before. It had nothing to do with my skinning as I have skinned and sold a lot of animals in the past. We don't have nice fur like a lot of other very lucky and fortunate trappers but we work with what we have.

I asked him why this happened. He told me it was because of Ky cities tags which makes no sense whatsoever. My county is connected to West Virginia So I don't see how my fur was any different from their's (North east Ky.) So I asked for the number to the guy that bought my fur (Danny Stutler) and he told me it was because I had green beaver and no one wanted to put them up because it was so much work, which is not very believable. I don't encourage wasting hides but at that price he could have thrown the beaver away and made an absolutely huge profit margin. I have put up animals before but did not have a good place to dry my hides this year. But I think I will have one next year if nothing bad happens.

Don't waste your time feeling sorry for me, I know you take chances when you go to a auction. Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes it eats you. But please let this be a warning to all Ky trappers please DO NOT SELL YOUR FUR AT THE WV AUCTION! I feel as it is very unfair to Kentucky trappers. Stuff like that makes people wonder why they even trap. If that unfortunate event would have happened to a young trapper they may would have quit trapping. I for one want the tradition of trapping to last as it has given me alot of enjoyment. I am glad it happened to me instead of a kid or someone else who depended on the money. Trappers need to stick together as we are a dying breed.

P.s If you look at their numbers on their website that tells the average, lows, high's, etc...that is completely false. Their possum average was higher than what I got out of my bobcats and coyotes. If you know any young Ky trapper please spread the word. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Good luck to all of you who are shed hunting and getting ready for turkey season and picking morels



They also took their $2.50 for commision.





Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182400
03/09/18 02:41 PM
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Wow! You got screwed! I hope there is something you can do about it. I have never taken fur to an auction, I sell to local buyers.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182439
03/09/18 03:16 PM
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Wow just.....wow!

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182442
03/09/18 03:23 PM
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That stinks. I stand there at the table as its going across, that way i can pull it if its not the right price. I understand circumstances sometimes dont allow people to stay for the sale.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182446
03/09/18 03:32 PM
03/09/18 03:32 PM
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So you didn't get the fur auctioned and someone just made an offer on it and they sold it??? I guess I don't understand because using even their stated "lows" (if it was purchased at that price) would have been around $75. Did they include a bottle of lube with the check??

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182449
03/09/18 03:35 PM
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Incredible!! I don't blame you for being upset.

It would be interested in hearing from other trappers that had fur on that sale. Any one?

There are just a lot of things that aren't adding up. Kentucky fur at a WVa sale not being worth as much. No one wanting green beaver? Groenwald is buying green beaver as fast as he can (for a certain price of course but more than 60 cents each.

Not sure how close you are to Don Wolf, a buyer in southern Indiana, but you might get in touch with him next year.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182454
03/09/18 03:43 PM
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From what I understand at this West Virginia sale they grade all the fur on Saturday before the sale. At this point only can you NO SALE based on the grade they give you. After this when the sale (auction) occurs the best day (Sun), if the price ranks they WILL NOT let you NO SALE at this point.

This is one of the main reasons I have never sold at this sale. Something like this was eventually bound to happen.

Our VA District 1 sale is coming up, and we do have the option to NO SALE when the auctioneer is finished. Therefore these kind of things don’t happen.

I also heard from a man last year (don’t want to mention his name), but he had some out west coyotes that didn’t bring very good because the buyers claimed that he bleached them.....LOL. Everyone knew he had went west trapping.

Sounds like this West Virginia sale is as crooked as the roads !!!


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182457
03/09/18 03:54 PM
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I don't understand what being from Kentuckys got to do with it? They even underlined it on his receipt.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Jonnytrapper] #6182458
03/09/18 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jonnytrapper
I don't understand what being from Kentuckys got to do with it? They even underlined it on his receipt.


No doubt. Seems fishy for sure. Hate to see these types of things frown


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182467
03/09/18 04:14 PM
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Rodney,Ohio
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We're these dried or green?

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182471
03/09/18 04:23 PM
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"(Danny Stutler) and he told me it was because I had green beaver and no one wanted to put them up because it was so much work"

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182472
03/09/18 04:23 PM
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Man I feel for ya...Meet me at the Ky/West Virginia line and we'll make the Hatfield / McCoy feud be the second biggest cross border war wink...Seriously, that's just awful, and I hope they get a good dose of karma.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182480
03/09/18 04:33 PM
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Bringing green fur to an auction is hardly ever rewarded unless a buyer down the road is bidding.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182487
03/09/18 04:39 PM
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If you good Ky trappers want to get payed for the work you do and have the option to sale or no sale then come to the VTA dist 1 sale in wytheville Va. It might be a little father down the road but we'll worth the drive and we have 2 raffles for post fleshing knives.

Last edited by bandy; 03/09/18 04:40 PM.

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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: wissmiss] #6182525
03/09/18 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: wissmiss
Incredible!! I don't blame you for being upset.

It would be interested in hearing from other trappers that had fur on that sale. Any one?

There are just a lot of things that aren't adding up. Kentucky fur at a WVa sale not being worth as much. No one wanting green beaver? Groenwald is buying green beaver as fast as he can (for a certain price of course but more than 60 cents each.

Not sure how close you are to Don Wolf, a buyer in southern Indiana, but you might get in touch with him next year.


Yep just sold to Groeny here in southern Illinois last friday. He paid $12 a piece to 2 big green beavers and $7 a piece for 2 small green beavers. For comparison I got $16 for a big, and $12 for a smallish stretched beaver.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182568
03/09/18 06:20 PM
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Kentucky Fur Takers has a sale every February in Etown Ky.Green fur is always cheap but I'm sure it would do a lot better than that.The price you got was robbery.You do have the option to no sale at Etown.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6182602
03/09/18 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: SNIPERBBB
Bringing green fur to an auction is hardly ever rewarded unless a buyer down the road is bidding.


You can't seriously be justifying the price he was paid, can you? 95% of the fur at the mississippi auction is green, and half the buyers are from up north.

The only way I could see what he was paid was if all of his furs were rotten.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182604
03/09/18 07:03 PM
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i was hoping some members of wvta would defend themselves here or at least try to explain.









Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182609
03/09/18 07:06 PM
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Just the realities of the auctions, never seen green fur do anything around here.If I had a buyer license on some of these sales, could of make a lot of money on fox that were brought in green. You have to have the buyers there that want it. 8% of the fur at that sale was raw according to the numbers.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6182628
03/09/18 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: SNIPERBBB
8% of the fur at that sale was raw according to the numbers.


Where do you see those numbers?


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