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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182788
03/09/18 10:12 PM
03/09/18 10:12 PM
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If I was a buyer or worker at that auction I would have been ashamed to have been present.There is no way a person can justify this.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182794
03/09/18 10:14 PM
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I have sold there for several years and never had many problems.(But I didnt sell there this year).How did your other fur do? The guy who bought your beavers lives close by.The only real problem I had with them is I had 5 coyotes that I cut windows in and they sold for 15 cents each my fault but I would have burnt them first.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182796
03/09/18 10:15 PM
03/09/18 10:15 PM
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logic says, all green fur is lotted as such, IE, you sell all your green fur, and get an offer on it. OP's cats sold, yet the rest had no value...
Im no fur grader, or expert. But im almost an expert in the field of auctioning, and that receipt was horrible.

If all your fur was lotted as one sale, you get a bottom line price, regardless how many cats, coons, rats. Bottom line price on your sum total offering. Typical. But settling on only one item for sale, then claiming "kentucky" on the rest, not cool. Why tell him what his cats sold for? Dont make sense.

Stealing? Maybe, why im interested. I do this for a living, and what happened dosent sound right. Selling by auctioneer always has a gamble affect, its why i have a job. But the above sounds very suspicious.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: randy r] #6182801
03/09/18 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: randy r
I have sold there for several years and never had many problems.(But I didnt sell there this year).How did your other fur do? The guy who bought your beavers lives close by.The only real problem I had with them is I had 5 coyotes that I cut windows in and they sold for 15 cents each my fault but I would have burnt them first.
15 CENTS EACH!!!? DID I READ THAT RIGHT?


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182802
03/09/18 10:21 PM
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You are misreading the sheet. All of his furs are 1 lot. Look at the buyer sheet in his later picture. You will see a listing of each "green" lot.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182804
03/09/18 10:24 PM
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Cant believe everything sold for 22.50 someone bought some cheap fur!

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: JTfromWV] #6182808
03/09/18 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: JTfromWV
You are misreading the sheet. All of his furs are 1 lot. Look at the buyer sheet in his later picture. You will see a listing of each "green" lot.


So he only had one salvageable hide? If it were one lot, i list whats not sellable, but, what do i know, only been doing this for 20 years...


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182809
03/09/18 10:26 PM
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I wouldn’t cash the check, put it on the fridge to remind you to never go back...


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182811
03/09/18 10:27 PM
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Hard for us to put a value on fur we have not seen.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182820
03/09/18 10:32 PM
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Looks like there were 17 registered buyers but only 6 bid on the green fur lots.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182842
03/09/18 10:46 PM
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Jt, can you please take the time explain to me what you consider to be .60 cent hides? I have sold hides before and have never been insulted as I was at the WV auction. I have sold multiple times to different folks. Can you give me the auctioneer's name? I understand that your trying to stand up for your association but there's no ground to stand on. I hope you can see were I am coming from. This is not an attack against the state of WV. I am warning my fellow trappers.

The possum average was higher than my bobcats and coyotes by .20 some odd cents if I am not mistaken. How can you with a clear conscience stand up for this?

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182850
03/09/18 10:56 PM
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JTfromWV, agreed, no idea on the merchandise, but the receipt showed some product selling, and some not, yet his whole offering was offered as a whole?
c'mon, nobody sold green coon or coyote at this sale?
Dont know the OP from Adam, but it looks weird, suspicious at best.

In my business, if you give me 10 items, i list what the top sellers sold for, and I dont even mention what the lesser, or god forbid(which happens), no sales, individually...Im a criminal. Why we always we make note of it.


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182853
03/09/18 10:57 PM
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but we always note no sale, offering a seller the service


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182856
03/09/18 10:59 PM
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I do not know the auctioneer. There is no incentive to sell the fur cheap. The more the fur brings, the more the association and the auctioneer make. If the other buyers thought they could make money on it I think they would have out bid the buyer who bought it. I am still trying to figure out how you got your check before I got mine.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182858
03/09/18 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: Trapper123456
Originally Posted By: JTfromWV
Finished fur is graded and lotted in like lots. (Example coon xx- large, coyote I and IIs, etc.) this happens on Friday and Saturday for a 1:00 pm Sunday auction. Unfinished(green) fur is put into trapper's lots Sunday morning. For some reason it looks like your fur was not wanted. Was any of it frozen? The WVTA wants all fur to sell as high as possible. It gives us a higher commission. Your fur coming from KY has nothing to do with the price. What time did you arrive in Glenville?


Hello Jt, I had a very high member of the WV trappers association tell me it was because of Ky fur. I will not mention his name out of respect. My fur was not rotten or anything like that. I pull animals out of the traps and skin them the same day and throw them in the deep freezer. I have been doing this for a while. Besides Ky was underlined, why would that be?

My fur was not frozen, I thawed it out. If no one wanted my fur that's okay. Call me or email me and I could have picked it up and try and find another buyer. I have been paid decent money for my fur. I have got as much as 75.00 bucks out of one cat. Not to mention all of the other animals I have sold. I could have came up with the $2.50 commission if that was the problem.



Look at the other lots compared to mine. It looks like someone else took a bad hit also. Notice in my lot it states KY fur.

Thanks for all of the support everyone. I hope this will be a lesson to all of my fellow trappers.





Each line is a lot of green fur. All of his fur sold.

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182859
03/09/18 11:04 PM
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Buck.....> thats right 15 cents each the only window I cut out was from penis hole down they were put up and graded #3!

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: JTfromWV] #6182871
03/09/18 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: JTfromWV
I do not know the auctioneer. There is no incentive to sell the fur cheap. The more the fur brings, the more the association and the auctioneer make. If the other buyers thought they could make money on it I think they would have out bid the buyer who bought it. I am still trying to figure out how you got your check before I got mine.


collusion...


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182877
03/09/18 11:15 PM
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If there was collusion, why only on green fur?

Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182882
03/09/18 11:19 PM
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lest OP's furs were rotten, or nasty, why did he get the line "Kentucky", for his unwanted furs?
My coyotes are slightly better than KY coyotes. My rats, bout the same-ish...my coons, coin toss, but i normally win.
Never once were all my furs discounted. Heck, never had but a dozen furs rejected, and i wasnt suprised, but it was one or two pieces. So Either our OP has no idea how to handle fur, or something is fishy


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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!! [Re: Trapper123456] #6182883
03/09/18 11:19 PM
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Why do you NOT have an option to NO SALE ???

Why in the world do you all have the sale on a Sunday afternoon ???

These are a couple of the reasons I DO NOT sale at the West Virginia sale. The biggest deterrent is the NO SALE option. If the association is wanting to make the most money possible wouldn’t it seem changing the NO SALE rule would benefit the association ? I would think it would at least increase interest NOT decrease.


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