First of all thank you Paul Dobbins for approving my membership. I have read almost all of your Dad's books and watched some of yours and his dvd's. I really like the books were he talks about experience's on the trapline.

Please take time to read this long post. Especially if your a young trapper from Ky.

Hey guys, how is everyone doing? I would like to say that I am not one for drama but I figured I would make this post and hopefully it will save someone from the aggravation that I have went through the last couple of days. So here it goes.

I went to the fur auction in Glenville Wv on March 4th. It cost me around $40 bucks in gas and took me around 3 hours and 15 minutes one way. As you can see in the pic below I had 19 coyotes, 3 bobcats, 13 beaver, 4 coon, and 3 muskrats. (I had vehicle problems this year and couldn't trap like I wanted.) When I was unloading my fur someone was bragging on how nice my coyotes were. When I got there I filled out my consignment sheet and headed back home. As it was a long trip. (Pictures at end of post)

I was anxious to see what I got out of my fur so I called a member Of the Wv trappers association. He was very helpful as he answered my questions through phone and email. You know who you are, thank you. He called me back and he told me "Don't be mad" at this point I figured it wont be too bad but not all that good. He told me I got $25 dollars out of all the fur listed below, thats right $25 bucks! An average of around .60 cent a hide (green hide) Obviously I was shocked. I have sold a lot of fur and have never had this problem before. It had nothing to do with my skinning as I have skinned and sold a lot of animals in the past. We don't have nice fur like a lot of other very lucky and fortunate trappers but we work with what we have.

I asked him why this happened. He told me it was because of Ky cities tags which makes no sense whatsoever. My county is connected to West Virginia So I don't see how my fur was any different from their's (North east Ky.) So I asked for the number to the guy that bought my fur (Danny Stutler) and he told me it was because I had green beaver and no one wanted to put them up because it was so much work, which is not very believable. I don't encourage wasting hides but at that price he could have thrown the beaver away and made an absolutely huge profit margin. I have put up animals before but did not have a good place to dry my hides this year. But I think I will have one next year if nothing bad happens.

Don't waste your time feeling sorry for me, I know you take chances when you go to a auction. Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes it eats you. But please let this be a warning to all Ky trappers please DO NOT SELL YOUR FUR AT THE WV AUCTION! I feel as it is very unfair to Kentucky trappers. Stuff like that makes people wonder why they even trap. If that unfortunate event would have happened to a young trapper they may would have quit trapping. I for one want the tradition of trapping to last as it has given me alot of enjoyment. I am glad it happened to me instead of a kid or someone else who depended on the money. Trappers need to stick together as we are a dying breed.

P.s If you look at their numbers on their website that tells the average, lows, high's, etc...that is completely false. Their possum average was higher than what I got out of my bobcats and coyotes. If you know any young Ky trapper please spread the word. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Good luck to all of you who are shed hunting and getting ready for turkey season and picking morels



They also took their $2.50 for commision.





Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Wow! You got screwed! I hope there is something you can do about it. I have never taken fur to an auction, I sell to local buyers.

Wow just.....wow!

That stinks. I stand there at the table as its going across, that way i can pull it if its not the right price. I understand circumstances sometimes dont allow people to stay for the sale.

So you didn't get the fur auctioned and someone just made an offer on it and they sold it??? I guess I don't understand because using even their stated "lows" (if it was purchased at that price) would have been around $75. Did they include a bottle of lube with the check??

Incredible!! I don't blame you for being upset.

It would be interested in hearing from other trappers that had fur on that sale. Any one?

There are just a lot of things that aren't adding up. Kentucky fur at a WVa sale not being worth as much. No one wanting green beaver? Groenwald is buying green beaver as fast as he can (for a certain price of course but more than 60 cents each.

Not sure how close you are to Don Wolf, a buyer in southern Indiana, but you might get in touch with him next year.

From what I understand at this West Virginia sale they grade all the fur on Saturday before the sale. At this point only can you NO SALE based on the grade they give you. After this when the sale (auction) occurs the best day (Sun), if the price ranks they WILL NOT let you NO SALE at this point.

This is one of the main reasons I have never sold at this sale. Something like this was eventually bound to happen.

Our VA District 1 sale is coming up, and we do have the option to NO SALE when the auctioneer is finished. Therefore these kind of things don’t happen.

I also heard from a man last year (don’t want to mention his name), but he had some out west coyotes that didn’t bring very good because the buyers claimed that he bleached them.....LOL. Everyone knew he had went west trapping.

Sounds like this West Virginia sale is as crooked as the roads !!!

I don't understand what being from Kentuckys got to do with it? They even underlined it on his receipt.

No doubt. Seems fishy for sure. Hate to see these types of things

We're these dried or green?

Green
"(Danny Stutler) and he told me it was because I had green beaver and no one wanted to put them up because it was so much work"

Man I feel for ya...Meet me at the Ky/West Virginia line and we'll make the Hatfield / McCoy feud be the second biggest cross border war ...Seriously, that's just awful, and I hope they get a good dose of karma.

Bringing green fur to an auction is hardly ever rewarded unless a buyer down the road is bidding.

If you good Ky trappers want to get payed for the work you do and have the option to sale or no sale then come to the VTA dist 1 sale in wytheville Va. It might be a little father down the road but we'll worth the drive and we have 2 raffles for post fleshing knives.

Yep just sold to Groeny here in southern Illinois last friday. He paid $12 a piece to 2 big green beavers and $7 a piece for 2 small green beavers. For comparison I got $16 for a big, and $12 for a smallish stretched beaver.

Kentucky Fur Takers has a sale every February in Etown Ky.Green fur is always cheap but I'm sure it would do a lot better than that.The price you got was robbery.You do have the option to no sale at Etown.

You can't seriously be justifying the price he was paid, can you? 95% of the fur at the mississippi auction is green, and half the buyers are from up north.

The only way I could see what he was paid was if all of his furs were rotten.

i was hoping some members of wvta would defend themselves here or at least try to explain.

Just the realities of the auctions, never seen green fur do anything around here.If I had a buyer license on some of these sales, could of make a lot of money on fox that were brought in green. You have to have the buyers there that want it. 8% of the fur at that sale was raw according to the numbers.

Where do you see those numbers?

WVTA facebook

Finished fur is graded and lotted in like lots. (Example coon xx- large, coyote I and IIs, etc.) this happens on Friday and Saturday for a 1:00 pm Sunday auction. Unfinished(green) fur is put into trapper's lots Sunday morning. For some reason it looks like your fur was not wanted. Was any of it frozen? The WVTA wants all fur to sell as high as possible. It gives us a higher commission. Your fur coming from KY has nothing to do with the price. What time did you arrive in Glenville?

Hope they enjoyed the black eye that they earned.

You will have to explain that one to me.

the writing on the receipt seems odd, normally in a no sale situation, i mark each slot as n/s, or no sale. Not just broad spectrum. As a seller, your entitled to a detailed listing as to what sold and didnt...As an auction worker, everything is basically detailed, give or take. In my line of work, a receipt like that is absolutely unacceptable. I cant vouch for quality of goods sold, but the transfer paper receipt, and how it was listed, does make me unhappy. Fur or not, i work auctions for a living, and thats not professional, bad for my profession.

Never auctioned fur(other than coats and stoles) a day in my life, but ive been apart of auctioning everything else since i was 16... the book keeping looks kinda shady.

Lot 308 $25.00 minus 10% commission of $2.50 equals $22.50

My understanding is the green skins are sold as one lot, not graded or sorted by species.

You are correct.

Hello Jt, I had a very high member of the WV trappers association tell me it was because of Ky fur. I will not mention his name out of respect. My fur was not rotten or anything like that. I pull animals out of the traps and skin them the same day and throw them in the deep freezer. I have been doing this for a while. Besides Ky was underlined, why would that be?

My fur was not frozen, I thawed it out. If no one wanted my fur that's okay. Call me or email me and I could have picked it up and try and find another buyer. I have been paid decent money for my fur. I have got as much as 75.00 bucks out of one cat. Not to mention all of the other animals I have sold. I could have came up with the $2.50 commission if that was the problem.



Look at the other lots compared to mine. It looks like someone else took a bad hit also. Notice in my lot it states KY fur.

Thanks for all of the support everyone. I hope this will be a lesson to all of my fellow trappers.

SniperBBB were you one of the buyers there? How can you justify .60 cent a pelt? You have more replys on this thread than anyone else.

so were the cats green, or put up?

Looks like most of the green fur was low.

trapper123456,

The cats that sold were green, correct?

They were green hillbilly. I apologize if I accidentally incinuated that they were put up.

You got robbed . Heck if it was the beaver that pulled them down why didn't they just throw them in the dumpster?. Someone would be held responsible if it was me. Some sort of legal action would be my next course if the ARSE holes running that operation didn't make it right.

Hey I know what it was !!! Blame it on CALIPARI he had the gall to go over the border and put a butt whipping on huggy bear and his boys !!!!

March madness is here ................

Hey next time call me I'll give you double that and put them up myself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heck I sold mine here in Columbia had 30 coons, 1 bobcat, 3 rats, 3 mink and 1 red fox and got $178 with no commission. Mink were green...

no, i kinda knew they werent, but when some folks say green, are lotted as such, it didnt make since.
again, ive only been in the auction business since i could drive. The logic proposed is terrible.

Dont know a thing about the local fur auctions, kinda bugs me i dont, since its what i do for a living.
I sold my fur to a local buyer, and in the case i shipped it off, i sent it to Don.

Does it really matter ? They stole them ........................

Yes I know it matters when they go on to the next step but geez !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no legal action that can be taken. There is nothing to be made right. The more money the fur brings, the more the association makes when prices are low. We sometimes lose money with building rental. I also take exception to the name calling of those of us who help run the association. How much do you do for your association?

If I was a buyer or worker at that auction I would have been ashamed to have been present.There is no way a person can justify this.

I have sold there for several years and never had many problems.(But I didnt sell there this year).How did your other fur do? The guy who bought your beavers lives close by.The only real problem I had with them is I had 5 coyotes that I cut windows in and they sold for 15 cents each my fault but I would have burnt them first.

logic says, all green fur is lotted as such, IE, you sell all your green fur, and get an offer on it. OP's cats sold, yet the rest had no value...
Im no fur grader, or expert. But im almost an expert in the field of auctioning, and that receipt was horrible.

If all your fur was lotted as one sale, you get a bottom line price, regardless how many cats, coons, rats. Bottom line price on your sum total offering. Typical. But settling on only one item for sale, then claiming "kentucky" on the rest, not cool. Why tell him what his cats sold for? Dont make sense.

Stealing? Maybe, why im interested. I do this for a living, and what happened dosent sound right. Selling by auctioneer always has a gamble affect, its why i have a job. But the above sounds very suspicious.

15 CENTS EACH!!!? DID I READ THAT RIGHT?

You are misreading the sheet. All of his furs are 1 lot. Look at the buyer sheet in his later picture. You will see a listing of each "green" lot.

Cant believe everything sold for 22.50 someone bought some cheap fur!

So he only had one salvageable hide? If it were one lot, i list whats not sellable, but, what do i know, only been doing this for 20 years...

I wouldn’t cash the check, put it on the fridge to remind you to never go back...

Hard for us to put a value on fur we have not seen.

Looks like there were 17 registered buyers but only 6 bid on the green fur lots.

Jt, can you please take the time explain to me what you consider to be .60 cent hides? I have sold hides before and have never been insulted as I was at the WV auction. I have sold multiple times to different folks. Can you give me the auctioneer's name? I understand that your trying to stand up for your association but there's no ground to stand on. I hope you can see were I am coming from. This is not an attack against the state of WV. I am warning my fellow trappers.

The possum average was higher than my bobcats and coyotes by .20 some odd cents if I am not mistaken. How can you with a clear conscience stand up for this?

JTfromWV, agreed, no idea on the merchandise, but the receipt showed some product selling, and some not, yet his whole offering was offered as a whole?
c'mon, nobody sold green coon or coyote at this sale?
Dont know the OP from Adam, but it looks weird, suspicious at best.

In my business, if you give me 10 items, i list what the top sellers sold for, and I dont even mention what the lesser, or god forbid(which happens), no sales, individually...Im a criminal. Why we always we make note of it.

but we always note no sale, offering a seller the service

I do not know the auctioneer. There is no incentive to sell the fur cheap. The more the fur brings, the more the association and the auctioneer make. If the other buyers thought they could make money on it I think they would have out bid the buyer who bought it. I am still trying to figure out how you got your check before I got mine.

Each line is a lot of green fur. All of his fur sold.

Buck.....> thats right 15 cents each the only window I cut out was from penis hole down they were put up and graded #3!

collusion...

If there was collusion, why only on green fur?

lest OP's furs were rotten, or nasty, why did he get the line "Kentucky", for his unwanted furs?
My coyotes are slightly better than KY coyotes. My rats, bout the same-ish...my coons, coin toss, but i normally win.
Never once were all my furs discounted. Heck, never had but a dozen furs rejected, and i wasnt suprised, but it was one or two pieces. So Either our OP has no idea how to handle fur, or something is fishy

Why do you NOT have an option to NO SALE ???

Why in the world do you all have the sale on a Sunday afternoon ???

These are a couple of the reasons I DO NOT sale at the West Virginia sale. The biggest deterrent is the NO SALE option. If the association is wanting to make the most money possible wouldn’t it seem changing the NO SALE rule would benefit the association ? I would think it would at least increase interest NOT decrease.

Finished fur is graded and lotted just like NAFA or FHA. There are not any no sales there either. The sale is Sunday because fur is graded all day Friday and Saturday. Most of the VA sale buyers are at this one also. Ask some of them which sale brings higher prices.

JT, what furbuyer in their right mind could not double their money ($25) on 3 bobcats that probably did not have hole in them besides were the bullet went. Not to mention the other 30 some hides. I actually know a little bit about handling hides. I got home earlier from mounting a deer. I have made mistakes while skinning animals, I would be lying if I said I didn't (I am not perfect.) I try and take pride in what I skin or when I am working on someone elses hide to mount. I have been skinning animals for years.

^^^^why would their be a NO SALE?? That is a good question VA.

Can someone please send me a private message the auctioneer's name?

Everyone has the option to obtain a fur buyer's license and buy any fur they think is sold too cheap. Maybe this is a bigger money maker than a 401K plan.

JT, good luck next season bud. I know where you stand on the matter. Thank you for your input.

Ky-coyote-hunter, jbyrd, and all other Ky, Va, Oh,...etc

Please warn all of the young/seasoned trappers you know. That is why I made this post so I could prevent this. I will gladly accept the "honors" in place of a young trapper. Stay away from the WV auction. There are some fine folks there but that don't change the fact that our fur is not desired.

if i get a receipt that says "Kentucky", for my unsold, i tend to get suspicious.
I could speak further on the issue, but, i dont know.

see my above. Ive sold my "worthless fur" before. Never once did they get lumped into a category.

I can't understand what Kentucky fur had anything to do with cheap prices. Something went terribly wrong on that sale. Call the buyer and ask him what was wrong. If they was tainted, he should be able to tell you that. If you say you know what your doing, then somebody really broke it off in you. Sorry about your bad deal.

most wouldnt catch the labeling on the receipt... i just tried to point it out.

Don would know, he was selling fur before i was born, i think....lol
He always treated me right, when i sold him fur, and always told me straight, even if i just needed info, offered him nothing.

Don, I called him and he told me it was because I had green beaver and no one wanted to do the work. I took the animals out of the traps, skin them the same day and threw them in the deep freezer. I am sure the hides were not perfect. I used a skinning machine that I bought of off ADC (thanks man) but I was not very good with it and had to go back to peeling them by hand. If the fur was tainted the buyer would have told me right off or if they were skinned improperly. The bobcats probably did not have a hole in them besides where the bullet went in.

I was told by a member that it was due to my cities tags on my cats that let them know my fur was from Ky. I don't know why this happened but it may be a good thing to keep others from getting in the same situation as me. I am fortunate enough not to depend on fur.

I hope to put up my fur this year and ship them to you Don. You seem like a stand up guy and a well respected fur buyer. I would have went to you in the first place but you are far away from me.

If you help run it than do take exception. BUT NOT WITH ME !!! Whom ever stole his fur !!! UNLESS the hides where rotten and he said they weren't you need to look into it. I think the fact that the word KENTUCKY was underlined and highlighted on the lotting form there is definitely discrimination involved. So the fact that other prices listed where remarkably higher doesn't raise a red flag. You guys knew he wasn't there and broke one off in him. PERIOD.
Plus what is this Ky cites tags excuse? Cites is federal. I thought. Yes bobcats in this area are bad about having "rabbit" back. Even those bring 20 -25 bucks apiece.

As for ALL green fur being lotted as one instead of lotting it as a green possum why not all as green bobcats. ????

AS for your association . I would be ashamed to admit being apart of this.

LOL

NOT ALWAYS TRUE. NOT SAYING this the case. But maybe the buyer was working for the people auctioning the fur ???? Mighty good profit there ... IF IT WASN'T rotten and the gentleman has said 3 times they were good pelts.

Something is fishy in WV.........

REALLY you can't figure that out? Everyone knows green fur can be cut in price and trappers never blink. Finish fur is what it is . Price is there . More profit to be made on green if the buyer is already finishing his own fur.

One problem I have seen at state auctions is it seems the buyers all get together on a limit and don't let it run up to high and sort of take turns buying lots. That way they all make more and guaranteed money. That, and one buyer seems to buy all of one species and another buyer another. I know they have orders to fill but it seems like " I won't run up fox if you'll let me buy the mink". It's reflected in the buyer piles as the sale moves along. I remember one year Zander showed up at Kentucky and wasn't in the loop with the usual five or six buyers. He bought about a hundred thousand dollars worth and the old regulars were fit to be tied. I would not let mine run through without having a "no sale" option but you had left in a trusting way and unless your fur was rotten someone stole it. Sometimes lessons in life are learned through disappointments. Now you and several hundred here know what could happen.

That's why I made the post Kytrapper. I am not sure why their is a "no sale" option. I am new to auctions so never gave it a thought to be honest. To let others know. If my fur would have been rotten the buyer and the guy that I talked to "who was in the know" would have told me. It wouldn't have been "it was because of Ky cities tags or beaver are too much work" they would have said it was rotten.

I skin the same day I take animals out of the traps. I may have let a beaver go one day but I don't think I did. I do not remember having a coyote with a green belly, let alone a rotted hide. I use footholds exclusively on coyotes, bobcats, coons, etc...so I kill animals when I get there. My freezers were operational the whole time. I had quite a few hides in a brand new one. They were all frozen hard when I got them out.

My fur was intact and no slippage whatsoever as far as I know. I got it out of the freezer and let it thaw before the auction. I have sold multiple times to a country buyer and I have sold bobcats to groenwold twice (put up) I averaged $60 on them one year and not sure about the next.

But I will put it this way. Who would buy rotten pelts? I would not give $25 dollars for 10 nice rotted cats. I will say once again if my fur was rotten that would have been the answer they would have gave me when I asked about it. I figure I got shorted out of a couple hundred bucks (I may be off, just my opinion.) that's fine. I just don't want it to happen to others. There's no need to feel sorry for me, there's nothing I can do now. I took a chance and lost out. I can just hope this sheds some light on the situation. No doubt there's some good people in the Wv association that has nothing to do with this matter. Their seems to be some good Wv folks right here on the website. I personally know some good folks from Wv, I think a lot of them.

The other thing on green hides...the buyers are taking a risk on getting them back to the shop before they start to taint if they didnt bring coolers or refrigerated vehicles. I'm at an auction now, some of these buyers have 10hr drives back to base.

If they didn't bring a way to transport what they bought than they need to be in another line of work. If your on vacation in Fla and they have the deal of the century on ice cream are you going to buy it when you live in Ohio ???? Think about that logic...
just saying . I don't know why his pelts didn't do better. But the reasons given don't add up....

Buyers generally aren't at the auctions here to buy green fur.

This is the number the Wv member gave me to contact the buyer. I matched the phone number to the address. That is how I found out how far they were away. It does not say Danny Stutler but the persons last name is Stutler with the same phone number. It's the 3rd name down in the list. I am not saying it's their fault but something seems odd. They may be good people I don't know. I did tallk to a helpful guy at the auction but do not know his name. He offered me some advise and I appreciated it.

Here is what i dont understand:
You dropped your unthawed fur off on friday?
The auction wasnt till sunday?
Your fur sat out of a cooler from friday till sunday?

No sir, I dropped it off Sunday (the day of the auction) at around 9:30 AM. The guys with put up fur left it there on Friday or Saturday to be sold on Sunday. One thing about it I looked at the fur that was put up and thought that they did a good job. I also seen some fishers for the first time.

Your list of WVTA officers information is very out of date.

Oh wow, so the guy who bought your fur is married to the secretary/treasurer? Sounds like things are starting to add up now.

Out of date or not it's the same phone number Jt. it's hard to argue with that. Can you please give me an updated list?

Jt can you explain why the high, low, and averages were false?

It's on the WVTA website - http://www.wvtrappers.com/officers.html

It's on the WVTA website - http://www.wvtrappers.com/officers.html

Thank you Paul, I typed some stuff on google to find the address and that's what came up. I was searching to see how far the buyer was from the auction. Which was 45 minutes.

They have not been married for years and she has not been part of the association for years.

Jt can you explain why the high, low, and averages were false?

I'd kind of like someone who was at the sale or an officer in the know to explain the whole deal. Was the mans fur ok or did someone get it at a steal or what? There has to be an explanation.
Looking at the receipt it looks like it's just for the cat and the other stuff was not bought by the same person. Maybe that's just the check for the cat?

Wow, quite a bit different than what he posted on his website for prices, huh?

Bobcat (Finished / I-grade):

40″ (XXXL): $55
36″ (XXL): $45
32″ (XL): $30
28″ (LG): $25
24″ (MED): $10
<23.9&#8243; (SM): $8
II-grade: Deduct 25% or more

III-grade: Deduct 50% to 75%

IV-grade: No value

GREEN BOBCAT (skinned but not scraped, stretched, and dried): Deduct $2 per pelt.

Not the same person.

Green fur is not in the averages. There is no way to track by species since each green lot is one price whether one item or a hundred.

I can imagine why you guys would not want the green fur average posted. If thats the case at the top of your fur average sheet it should say "put up". Jt you guys involved and I say YOU because it is clear that you are very invested in this thread. YOU guys were very unfair to me. YOU guys discriminated against my fur just because I am from another state. YOU can type whatever YOU want, however it is clear that YOUR association did me wrong. I will continue to warn my fellow trappers to stay away from YOUR guys auction. I brought my fur to YOUR auction and I got took. That's fine, I just hope that someone out of 1,000 to 1,200 views people see how YOU guys work. It all seems fishy and I ain't got no pole.

Why isn't there a "NO SALE"?

Explain to me how we could average the green fur.

If we discriminate against other states, why did the PA bobcat bring more than the WVbobvats of the same grade. Look at the buyer sheets that were sent with your check.

Seems to me the folks running the WV fur auction better explain this or they will have a record low participation rate next sale...

Why isn't there an option to "NO SALE??"

Ok, I apologize. IMO Your guys auction discriminates against Ky fur. I heard it from a guy that had no reason to lie to me. He told me that he himself felt bad for what had happened. He took the time and trouble to call me and answer my emails.

As for your first question you could break the lot down by each individual piece of fur like the local buyers and groeny.

Ex.

Ok,

3 cats@$20
19 coyotes@$5
13 beaver@$1 (because their so much work)
4 coon@.50 cents
3 rats@.55 cents.

All of the above =$171.65

I told you guys early in the thread IT IS JOHN CALIPARI'S fault . He took a bunch of thumb suckers across the border and whipped up on Bob (huggy bear ) Huggins. So the problem is not green fur. Because it would have been underlined like the word Kentucky was !!!!!! It was were it came from.

Swamp, it would not surprise me if the reason given would be false. If it was my mistake and I knew it I would not have sad a word about it on a public forum. I am not asking for my money, at this point I wouldn't take it anyway. I want to help others see what can happen.

Spoken like a true hall knocker.

Ok since most post we agree we should stand to gather, go to the post Mr. Dobbins just posted and click on WV web page . Contact them and flood their in box with questions. See if anyone gives an answer as to the low value given for his fur. BUT my number one question is why was KENTUCKY underlined and even printed on the lot sheet like that is a category or grade of fur ?????? That's what stands out to me...

Exactly! Why was Ky underlined?? It don't make any sense.

Jt, If you was in my shoes and something like this happened to you I would have been on your side.

What I'm the world is this guy talking about???
I don't get
...matt

Did you read this Jt? Please guys, no name calling. Please Mr. Dobbins don't axe this thread. It may help some young trapper. Even if it is just one then it is worth it.

Matt this is your daggone fault, I watched your fur handling dvd and you see what it got me? Lol just kidding.

OMG, you brought back Matt Jones. I'm impressed, lol.

Ok I'm a dumb country boy . Whats that even mean ?

WV DNR uses the buyer and lot sheets for harvest data. All instate sheets have county of harvest and all out of state sheets have state of harvest.

Funny didn.t see any other sheets with other counties or states listed. So the fur listed above and below his in that one pic ALL came from the same Co. Ok why didn't you say that earlier. Now it is as clear as pea soup !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jt why is their a "NO SALE" option?

I have asked this numerous times. If you don't know please just say so. I will understand.

All of the finished fur is graded and put in lots. My low #2 red fox are in with other people's low #2 red fox. No way to separate once lotted. If you had been able to put a minimum bid on your fur, what would happen to it if it did not sell. You were 3+ hours away.

Sorry for u luck feller u got the short end of th stick. But bandy is right on bring to th va d1 fur sale.

I could have drove 3 hours and picked it up. I would have rather give it to a kid and let him sell it somehwere else. I could have tanned it and gave pelts away to friends and family.

It looks like that one and the Ky one would be my best bet if I was going to an auction. It would be a farther drive but I imagine I would have been a lot more satisfied.

I think it would be a good idea if you guys would change your auctions to be more like the other ones. Ky has a no sale and so does Virginia and Ar. Why would you guys differ from them?

LOL you ask that question after what happened to you? It is pretty obvious after the way your experience went. Opened the door for someone to make a hefty profit, or at least more money.....

Been worth coming back. IF the pelts were good cats 22 bucks apiece easy MINIMAL . That's for rabbit back . spots and up to 60, depending on length. What guy here pays anyway.

I doubt very much that there is some conspiracy by the West Virginian Trapper's Association to screw Kentuckian trappers. The reason the word Kentucky is underlined is most likely something innocuous, like they double checked your cites tags. If there was a conspiracy, they would not have underlined Kentucky, when it could have notified Kentuckians something was up. Since Kentucky was already plainly typed on the receipt, there was no reason to underline it as a secret code to screw over this seller.

We have a very poor market for wild furs right now. Green furs have always been worth less than well finished furs and for good reason. It costs time or money to put green furs up. It is harder to see the quality of a green fur. There is also the risk of spoilage.

The biggest problem with the auction was that there was only 7 buyers there and they probably all were not there to buy green fur too. Less competition between buyers in a year with very poor, raw fur prices is going to lead to very poor returns for trappers.

Having the option to buy back the furs or no sale them, would be good. It does create more of a hassle for the auctioneer and his staff, which is probably why this small fur auction chose not to have it.

Auctions are always risky to sell at. Prices are dependent on the current market prices and also how much competition to buy shows up. What most likely happened was nobody wanted your lot of mixed, green furs.

I find the current prices disgusting. I hope prices rise to a decent level in the near future, but don't see it happening.

I would be angry if I got that poor of a return on my hard work too.

The lesson is, if you can and want better returns, send your fur somewhere there will be more competition to purchase it and to sell what the market wants.

Keith

Sorry for your loss.My takeaway from this would be to put up all my marketable fur in the future.

This.

Man that sucks hope it works out for ya. Sounds like the quality of the fur, condition of the fur market, the fur buyers mood, the state fur was trapped in, all played a role in this. Keep us informed.