Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 02:19 PM
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Use a smear of sac oil above you foot hold.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 04:12 PM
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Foot hold or snare in front of a pile of fresh skinned green sticks. A chunk of apple or corn with Ogormans beaver pro or Dobbin's Woodchipper is a good addition. I normally only make that set in emergencies, and it saved my butt twice in the past 8 months on two paid ADC job where the beaver were already educated to conibears and castor.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 05:01 PM
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The castor set IS my change up a lot of the time. When possible, I start out with blind sets. When possible, I only use blind sets. If there’s flooding and/or blind sets are fewer and farther between, I’ll use castor sets.
When I need a change up after I’ve started using lure, I’ll make mud pie/crawl out sets with no lure, or castor/oil from family members. A lot of people like using the colony members’ sac oil. I like to use their castor with a little sac oil mixed in, and I’ll put it somewhere that they’ll smell it. I check the weather forecast for the next day or two and I’ll put this set on the upwind side, just a small bit of mud and debris or, most times, just rub the castor/oil on a stick or branch above or beyond the trap. If dealing with a trap shy beaver, I will ONLY make the best sets that I can. This means putting a 330 in a pinch, because I don’t want to have all kinds of fencing, or, even better, a snare or foothold, or, my personal favorite, a Torp. nailed it!!
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 05:11 PM
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Beaver Plus with a little sac oil on a mound. Steep bank, shallowish water, thick skinned up green bait stick tight to bank. Also, steep bank dig a big hole(bout the size of a milk crate and at least that deep). Bed trap just inside the hole to the side. Just a slight hint of castor and sac oil and a peeled green stick the size of a pencil.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 06:58 PM
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I used to use castor, and or, sac oil at every set, along with fresh popple, slightly peeled, but nowadays, I use popple every where and castor at traveler sets, and as a last resort above a dam at an active colony.
In the colony, they'll come every time for popple, and never get tired of it, but when the trap is down with a beaver at the end of the drowner, all the rest of the family gets to come to that castor spot, maybe only once, so I don't do it there unless the only beaver there are travelers and always in conjunction with popple bait sticks .
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 07:08 PM
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A old time beaver trapper told me that when he made a castor set he just used a stick with castor on It. He tied a piece of string to that stick and then tied that string to the trap. When he made a catch the beaver left with the scent stick. And that set was just as good as new when re setting. It does have some merit and I have done It that way and It works.
But reading all these posts on beaver trapping just seems to me your making this a whole lot harder then It should be. The old tried and true KISS method always worked for me.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 07:17 PM
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Indeed. Beaver aren't thinkers, lol. It is similar to trapping big giant muskrats.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 07:25 PM
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The trapper Is his own worst enemy when It comes to trapping beaver. Most go In like a bull In a china shop and think the beaver don't know what's going on. THye may not be to smart but they know that something Isn't right.
When I'm on ADC job I scout It like some black opts operation. I don't even carry In any gear. But when I have It planned I'm In and out with as less disturbance as I can. This system works for me.
I might not be as sneaky when fur trapping but I do plan ahead before I start setting traps.
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Re: Beaver change ups
[Re: trapper les]
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03/10/18 07:27 PM
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Indeed. Beaver aren't thinkers, lol. It is similar to trapping big giant muskrats. I've left a couple of those non-thinking beavers behind that I could not catch. They gave up b4 I did.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 07:37 PM
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That happens more them we like to admit.
I had the last beaver blocked Into It's hut with 330s. It final chewed out through the top of the hut after 7 checks and never to be seen again.
I always found those small pond beavers to be the hardest to catch. I spent a few nights sitting up with the shot gun to take the last one.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 07:44 PM
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I have had a few I couldn't catch too, and it's not hard to figure out you have stumbled into a place where they are educated.
For the most part, I scout a bit myself too...nothing better than a pond that never been interfered with by mankind.
I will blindset the hard ones , and with footholds if I have to .
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 07:48 PM
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I love that "cream of the crop" trapping at ice out. ADC trapping is a different game, calmer water, more laid back beaver, and they aren't as hungry as at ice out.
I'll blindset the high side of the spill way for a hind foot catch with a foothold and drowner every time, and just keep that set operating .
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/10/18 07:58 PM
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Foot hold or snare in front of a pile of fresh skinned green sticks. A chunk of apple or corn with Ogormans beaver pro or Dobbin's woodchipper is a good addition. I normally only make that set in emergencies, and it saved my butt twice in the past 8 months on two paid ADC job where the beaver were already educated to conibears and castor. Sounds like a good set. When using corn, you’re using a cob? Beavers here don’t see corn, but I wonder how they’d react to it. I’m going to have to try it. I really like the idea of using something that contrasts so well—-yellow corn against a dark bank Yup, last summer I was on an ADC job where the beaver had plugged up a creek next to a corn field and were cutting corn every night to work on the dam and pile up in the creek. I had caught a couple and knew there was at least one more left that wasn't responding to nothing. As I was trying to figure out what to do while walking along the cornfield to check traps I figured I'd try a baited set with corn. Broke the cob into 2 pieces with some skinned up sticks and caught a 55lb male the next night.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/11/18 12:29 AM
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The trapper Is his own worst enemy when It comes to trapping beaver. Most go In like a bull In a china shop and think the beaver don't know what's going on. THye may not be to smart but they know that something Isn't right.
When I'm on ADC job I scout It like some black opts operation. I don't even carry In any gear. But when I have It planned I'm In and out with as less disturbance as I can. This system works for me.
I might not be as sneaky when fur trapping but I do plan ahead before I start setting traps. Sometimes you're in Madison WI Beav, gotta be sneaky, lol. Is it good to avoid checking beaver traps in the evening or after dark? The corn idea someone mentioned is intriguing. Aix, what's a Torp?
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/11/18 01:18 AM
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That happens more them we like to admit.
I had the last beaver blocked Into It's hut with 330s. It final chewed out through the top of the hut after 7 checks and never to be seen again.
I always found those small pond beavers to be the hardest to catch. I spent a few nights sitting up with the shot gun to take the last one. When I was doing ADC work for the county I had one that knew more about lure and conibears than I did.The game started in the fall,and continued when I went back in the spring.I found a faint trail by the dam and set a 48 Newhouse well bedded and no lure.I got there early the next morning because there wasn't enough water to drown in and there she was.She was the last in the colony and to tell you the truth I found no joy in beating her at this game.When I took her out of the trap I found she was missing a front foot.A beaver I'll never forget.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/11/18 05:39 PM
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...and then there are those (after 5 have been removed) that won't repair the dam, have no crawlouts that are accessible, use of any lure is a deterrent especially castor, even snares are too much, water is too deep around lodge for 330s or for underwater 330s as there are no narrow channels.......
There is fresh sign when you get there and then zilch over next 2 or 3 weeks. Had to give up on that one.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/11/18 06:34 PM
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If you manage to kill the big female, and everybody but the big male, and he's the last one, it seems like them big males can be the laziest, low profile, no sign , critters there is...wont do no work till right at fall, probably waiting for a new female to pitch in .
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/11/18 08:28 PM
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I'm working on one of those right now, started with all blind sets and then to snares. 7 dead but saw sign today at the culvert with sticks and mud against my 330 Sat in the truck and thunk on it a spell. Now 2 gaps in the brush are guarded with snares leading to a small castor mound next to an excisting mound, no lure. I'm thinking its the old girl. Normally those are the tough ones. May have to spend an evening with #4buckshot.. This is a county job so they want em all gone. If I was fur trapping I'd be gone. I always go in and access the situation before I set up a control job, and ask one question, has any one tried to trap these yet?? If not I'll set every blind set with a 330, then to snares and footholds. Sac oil has been the end to a few and I always have my own castor lure and 2 from others. I never get close to the house until most are dead and when I do its like I'm stalking a Booner.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/12/18 08:25 AM
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I'm working on one of those right now, started with all blind sets and then to snares. 7 dead but saw sign today at the culvert with sticks and mud against my 330 Sat in the truck and thunk on it a spell. Now 2 gaps in the brush are guarded with snares leading to a small castor mound next to an excisting mound, no lure. I'm thinking its the old girl. Normally those are the tough ones. May have to spend an evening with #4buckshot.. This is a county job so they want em all gone. If I was fur trapping I'd be gone. I always go in and access the situation before I set up a control job, and ask one question, has any one tried to trap these yet?? If not I'll set every blind set with a 330, then to snares and footholds. Sac oil has been the end to a few and I always have my own castor lure and 2 from others. I never get close to the house until most are dead and when I do its like I'm stalking a Booner. If only proximity mines were legal, you could take those lazy, low profile beavers to the cleaners
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/12/18 06:38 PM
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That beavers days are number it just don't know it yet. I can legally shoot em under the County permit. In Michigan we can't dispatch beaver with a .22 for fur. This may be the first time Ill need to.
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/13/18 05:42 AM
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'Bus, I had one move a quarter mile upstream of a park district job I just finished (at least I thought I finished). Set 2 foot hold sets out in the evening on fresh castor mounds that it made....I didn't add any lure to the mounds....getting ready to check sets in minute....I hate checking sets in the dark....lol. Gotta figure this beaver is a female....very nervous....probably bred already. We will see...
Checked and had 2...thought there was only one....shows you how much I know....lol
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/13/18 06:21 PM
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Dang beaver made a new castor mound and nocked the same snare down .. Set a foothold under that snare and added another snare at the new mound with a touch of sac oil . IT stopped using the bank den where the 330 sits waiting. Got a handfull of pond weeds and blended that sucker in. Went to the lodge 100 yards away in the pond north no silt disturbed at all. I'd rather deal with the toughest coyote than the old girls.. Thanks pcr2 I'll take a dang apple and an orange too. Had one 2 years ago I tricked with orange peels only took 2 weeks LOL.. If I don't have to fill this one with holes she's getting tanned.. Thanks Mike I'll put A couple 750s at blank mounds tommorrow..
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/13/18 08:18 PM
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Like my late cousin and mentor used to say"ya don't want to tick off a trapper" I'm at my limit Hee hee
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/14/18 09:21 PM
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Well the sac oil worked, Snared a double today but there both males. One 60 pounds and one 2 year old. The drain commissioner texted at 10:30 to tell me ya got one, got there at 2 and had the other. That's 9 from this job, no adult girls. Hope she died of old age LOL.. I carry 3 different castor lures and two food types, and sac from other colonies. I've done well this year on Andy's damage stopper, Rehung the snares and cleared the pipe, tomorrow will tell. Still no sign at the house, entrances still silted in.. No traps in the entrances but all the runs are covered with BGS. Only one channel in and out to the house.. I have a feeling the old girl left, Maybe
Ive only had 2 snapped traps from muskrats this year, In the past I've used the SS triggers with success when we had alot of rats. Normally I just move the trigger to the side but we can keep 10 incidental Muskrats here.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/16/18 09:36 AM
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Interesting. Nuisance beaver will start here in about 2 months, lol , when the ice is gone, and they start causing trouble.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/19/18 12:55 PM
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Am not sure if you are in Corn area. Corn is my mainstay for Beaver, not a change up. Corn is King in my area. Beavers know about Corn around here. A half or whole ear of Corn placed in a pocket does the trick for me. We gota lot of corn around here. They actually make some of their dams out of corn stalks.
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/19/18 11:24 PM
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I have given this a little thought, as I am a front foot target trapper most every time. I've had beaver missing a front foot, or both at times. The rarest set I make is in 10" of water for the hindfoot.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/22/18 06:37 PM
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The one in the indent with the fresh peeled stick, no lure needed. Thanks Les
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Re: Beaver change ups
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03/25/18 01:18 PM
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I rarely to almost never, make a fake mud mound, fresh , all slicked up, and set a trap there. That would be a change up for me. I make a zillion bait stick and castor sets without a mound, just for ice out trapping .
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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