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Government over reach. #6187941 03/14/18 10:57 PM 03/14/18 10:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 3,077 Wyoming C cmcf OP trapper
cmcf OP trapper C Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 3,077 Wyoming	So I was out exercising my hounds on a county dirt road. Half mile from the last house behind us and twelve miles to the next. Dogs stay in between the fencing on ROW. Ecollars add bite to reinforce my vocal commands. I see a vehicle coming I stop and get out call the dogs and make them lay down on the ditch side of My Trk. Well today the vehicle was a county sheriff with two young deputies. They say I'm not allowed to run my dogs on the county road. I said I had no idea since we were outside of the city limits. They say don't want to have the dogs run over. I say neither do I that's why I called them to me and made then lay down till your vehicle is well past. This road is straight as a string and flat enough that a vehicle can't get closer than a half mile before you see it. Very little traffic as in probably two per hr. The sheriff's Trk was the only one I saw today. They did say if I was on a two track on the forest I'd be ok. My response was that's thirty miles one way. Somehow I went to bed in WYOMING last night. And woke up in a liberal hole.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6187952 03/14/18 11:11 PM 03/14/18 11:11 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma M Mike in A-town trapper
Mike in A-town trapper M Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma	Can't run your dogs down the road in an open range state? Mike One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none. Vladimir Lenin

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6187954 03/14/18 11:12 PM 03/14/18 11:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,085 Minnesota 330-Trapper trapper
330-Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,085 Minnesota	We started a thousand coon running our hound's that way on dirt roads in Wisconsin...never once got bothered. WOW! NRA and NTA Life Member www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6187986 03/14/18 11:58 PM 03/14/18 11:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 43 West Virginia D d hall trapper
d hall trapper D Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 43 West Virginia	Boys, just as well wrap up your AR’s n traps for when they come to get them. Yea, I had some venting typed in here but didn’t want to get your thread deleted!!!!! If Pa. fell for it, there’s no help now!

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6187987 03/14/18 11:59 PM 03/14/18 11:59 PM
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 6,340 se South Dakota NonPCfed trapper
NonPCfed trapper Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 6,340 se South Dakota	They were bored and needed something to show they mattered today in your rural area. I would have asked them to cite me the state law where dogs running down any empty public law was illegal. "And God said, Let us make man in our image ï¿½and let them have dominion ï¿½and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6187988 03/15/18 12:03 AM 03/15/18 12:03 AM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 17,740 Central Oregon AntiGov trapper
AntiGov trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 17,740 Central Oregon	Originally Posted By: cmcf So I was out exercising my hounds on a county dirt road. Half mile from the last house behind us and twelve miles to the next. Dogs stay in between the fencing on ROW. Ecollars add bite to reinforce my vocal commands. I see a vehicle coming I stop and get out call the dogs and make them lay down on the ditch side of My Trk. Well today the vehicle was a county sheriff with two young deputies. They say I'm not allowed to run my dogs on the county road. I said I had no idea since we were outside of the city limits. They say don't want to have the dogs run over. I say neither do I that's why I called them to me and made then lay down till your vehicle is well past. This road is straight as a string and flat enough that a vehicle can't get closer than a half mile before you see it. Very little traffic as in probably two per hr. The sheriff's Trk was the only one I saw today. They did say if I was on a two track on the forest I'd be ok. My response was that's thirty miles one way. Somehow I went to bed in WYOMING last night. And woke up in a liberal hole. Man your not kidding , I thought Wyoming was the last great state . Idaho is currently being taken over by Californians like Oregon was many years ago. What's left in the great West ? Or should I say what's NOT left Report a post club - Non member

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188014 03/15/18 01:17 AM 03/15/18 01:17 AM
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 3,077 Wyoming C cmcf OP trapper
cmcf OP trapper C Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 3,077 Wyoming	Preciate the response. I feel a visit to the law section of the county public library is in my imediate future! I am a law abiding citizen and a productive member of society. I respect law enforcement personnel and the job they do, that being said, I have first person knowledge of rare instances when they have said things, and even more rare, times when they have done things that were not within the statutes. If their statement was accurate I will abide and make other arrangements. The house I mentioned in the first post that was twelve miles in front of me when they stopped and talked to me sets in the middle of a thirty eight square mile ranch that I have permission to trap on. It will be a few more miles to go to let the dogs run. But if the deputies where just flapping their lips without a statute on record, then a visit with the Sheriff is definitely on. Again thanks for the supportive response. Sleep well America and may GOD BLESS! “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188016 03/15/18 01:22 AM 03/15/18 01:22 AM
Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 10,911 MN FlyinFinn trapper
FlyinFinn trapper Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 10,911 MN	I wouldn't even bother trying to decipher library law books. Talk to the sheriff. I am sure he would like to hear about it, whether it's a law or not.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188026 03/15/18 03:54 AM 03/15/18 03:54 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,879 williamsburg ks D danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,879 williamsburg ks	id start at the sheriffs office also. somebody musta complained about something Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

Re: Government over reach. [Re: danny clifton] #6188033 03/15/18 04:22 AM 03/15/18 04:22 AM
Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 5,518 South Carolina T Tom cat trapper
Tom cat trapper T Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 5,518 South Carolina	Originally Posted By: danny clifton id start at the sheriffs office also. somebody musta complained about something X2 Sugarcreektrapping@gmail.com

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188035 03/15/18 04:48 AM 03/15/18 04:48 AM
K krispcritter Unregistered
krispcritter Unregistered K	Boys in blue with nothing better to do. Just showing the young bucks they have the power to harass.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188039 03/15/18 05:16 AM 03/15/18 05:16 AM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 6,535 Saginaw, Mi M micheal trapper
micheal trapper M Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 6,535 Saginaw, Mi	I would investigate

Re: Government over reach. [Re: d hall] #6188049 03/15/18 05:55 AM 03/15/18 05:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,683 PA G gryhkl trapper
gryhkl trapper G Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,683 PA	Originally Posted By: d hall Boys, just as well wrap up your AR’s n traps for when they come to get them. Yea, I had some venting typed in here but didn’t want to get your thread deleted!!!!! If Pa. fell for it, there’s no help now! If PA fell for what? Semi auto rifles were illegal to use as hunting weapons until the last couple years and Our governor said he's leaving it up to the game commission to decide if they want them for big game. It seems as most states are becoming more restrictive PA is loosening them.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188054 03/15/18 06:12 AM 03/15/18 06:12 AM
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 3,077 Wyoming C cmcf OP trapper
cmcf OP trapper C Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 3,077 Wyoming	Thanks guys you are correct in that someone may have complained. Even with the dogs laying down by the truck some people slowdown to 5mph. Most smile and wave, but some just frown. Who knows maybe they think Im being mean,making them run haha. In any event I will do my due diligence and view the statues. I do remember about three or four years ago a bunch of ordinances pertaining to dogs in town where passed. Things like you can't take your dog into a bar, or if you have a dog In the back of a truck it has to be tied so it can't get to the edge of the bed when you are down town etc. But I thought those where city ordinances, we will see. “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188057 03/15/18 06:21 AM 03/15/18 06:21 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,879 williamsburg ks D danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton "Grumpy Old Man" D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,879 williamsburg ks	Some California transplant to CO. who then transplanted to WY. said you were torturing dogs by making them run down a county road. What they were really upset about though was that hounds and hunting with them is legal in WY. At least that's my best guess. Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188068 03/15/18 06:43 AM 03/15/18 06:43 AM
Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 96 Virginia A acrews145 trapper
acrews145 trapper A Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 96 Virginia	Not sure about your laws, but many state a dog must be under your control. E collars count as this. The law must state the dog has to be under physical control in order for them to do anything. Some just have nothing better to do.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188095 03/15/18 07:28 AM 03/15/18 07:28 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,381 Perham Minnesota 54 R racerboy108 trapper
racerboy108 trapper R Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,381 Perham Minnesota 54	Unfortunately some law enforcement officers need to get a life. They have a need to dictate everything a person does. Those types always have a way to over think and twist things into a law to stop people from doing harmless stuff.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188109 03/15/18 07:40 AM 03/15/18 07:40 AM
Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 3,302 S/W Wisconsin rpmartin trapper
rpmartin trapper Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 3,302 S/W Wisconsin	I'd be looking into it further also. Good luck Life member, NRA, NTA, RMEF, Pheasants Forever. WTA,TTA,FTA,SA,GOA, member

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188124 03/15/18 07:52 AM 03/15/18 07:52 AM
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,871 meadowview, Virginia E EdP trapper
EdP trapper E Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,871 meadowview, Virginia	Sounds to me like the Sheriff was showing off for the new deputies. Showing them that he is the law in this county, regardless of what the law actually says. It may not be this at all, but it smells like it from here.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188131 03/15/18 07:59 AM 03/15/18 07:59 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 9,843 St. Cloud, MN trapperkeck trapper
trapperkeck trapper Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 9,843 St. Cloud, MN	I was thinking, if everyone obeyed leash laws, we wouldn't have lost our right of way trapping. On the other hand, if dog owners accepted the consequences of letting Fido run loose instead of blaming someone else for their lack of judgement I would have no problem repealing any leash law. BTW, I am a dog owner. "The voice of reason!"

Re: Government over reach. [Re: FlyinFinn] #6188136 03/15/18 08:06 AM 03/15/18 08:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,218 MI lebowski trapper
lebowski trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,218 MI	Yes I would do this first. Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn ...Talk to the sheriff. I am sure he would like to hear about it, whether it's a law or not. "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." --The Dude

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188187 03/15/18 09:05 AM 03/15/18 09:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 330 MO T Timber Hole trapper
Timber Hole trapper T Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 330 MO	We have leash laws where I live. My Lab is well trained and devoted. She heels regardless of distraction. I walk her without a leash but do make her wear the ecollar just in case she decides to become self employed. If the city ever gives me trouble I'll put on a short check cord and just let it drag. The law doesn't say we have to hold the leash. I'm a rebel i

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188215 03/15/18 09:55 AM 03/15/18 09:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,639 Warren co Mo H hrdtoflw trapper
hrdtoflw trapper H Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,639 Warren co Mo	Talk with the sheriff. Theres nothing wrong with the dogs exercising your truck. How long before your truck gets tired. I bet someone complained, not knowing that the breed was bread to run all day, covering miles. Take care and let us know if your state turned blue overnight. Hope its just a couple of dummies involved. If your mind draws a blank, turn off the sound, because ya can't learn a thing if you're doin all the talkin

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188219 03/15/18 10:03 AM 03/15/18 10:03 AM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 542 IL G goatman trapper
goatman trapper G Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 542 IL	What county?

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188225 03/15/18 10:05 AM 03/15/18 10:05 AM
Joined: May 2013 Posts: 5,109 Northern Michigan J J.Morse trapper
J.Morse trapper J Joined: May 2013 Posts: 5,109 Northern Michigan	cmcf, would you be able to get permission from the ranch owners to road your dogs along their property? That alone may(?) negate any problems, because they would then be there with the landowners OK. Just a thought. Our ROW laws may be different than yours.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: racerboy108] #6188244 03/15/18 10:22 AM 03/15/18 10:22 AM
Joined: Feb 2018 Posts: 793 Norborne MO B BBarnes trapper
BBarnes trapper B Joined: Feb 2018 Posts: 793 Norborne MO	Originally Posted By: racerboy108 Unfortunately some law enforcement officers need to get a life. They have a need to dictate everything a person does. Those types always have a way to over think and twist things into a law to stop people from doing harmless stuff. I know several people like that, not just law enforcement. What you need to do is go by the Sheriff's Office and ask to speak to a Supervisor. Explain what happened and ask where you stand. If you were in violation ask for a copy of the law so you won't make that mistake again, you are entitled to a copy. If you were in the right, thank them for their time and continue on with what your doing. Simple as that. B

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188286 03/15/18 11:01 AM 03/15/18 11:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 34,900 Central, SD Law Dog trapper
Law Dog trapper Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 34,900 Central, SD	Was trapping down in Arizona many years ago when I came across a truck that flipped over in the desert, 2 guys in the truck looked to be shooting stuff out the window and hit a packrat house. So I went and got the Sheriff and by the time I was done I was treated like a criminal for doing the right thing. One thing you need to consider is the Sheriff has more power then the Feds in his County so if things go bad just walk away as it's a no win for you. Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that! Jerry Herbst

Re: Government over reach. [Re: d hall] #6188296 03/15/18 11:09 AM 03/15/18 11:09 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,442 PA cndgmn "Alphabet"
cndgmn "Alphabet" Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,442 PA	Originally Posted By: d hall Boys, just as well wrap up your AR’s n traps for when they come to get them. Yea, I had some venting typed in here but didn’t want to get your thread deleted!!!!! If Pa. fell for it, there’s no help now! I'd say Pa fell for it as well when Wolf signed another "animal abuse" bill into law.Now you basically cant own a dog that needs to be tethered.Who doesn't want a pack of hounds in the house.Some probably even see this as a win.Its just more overreach,more control.BTW,I'm against actual abuse as I'm sure most are.I just don't need the state telling me what they think abuse is. https://humane-pa.org/current-legislatio...l-cruelty-bill/

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188415 03/15/18 01:27 PM 03/15/18 01:27 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 634 ID O Ole trapper
Ole trapper O Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 634 ID	Someone must have complained and the first question I would have asked "Is there a county ordinance that I am violating?" If so, then you have to choose what you will do. If the answer is no, then maybe they were just concerned about your dogs getting hit. However, it's pretty easy to see that a guy with hounds with collars is not going to let his dogs get hit!!!! If those had been two old deputies would there still have been a post on this forum?

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188435 03/15/18 01:58 PM 03/15/18 01:58 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 18,581 Green County Wisconsin G GREENCOUNTYPETE trapper
GREENCOUNTYPETE trapper G Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 18,581 Green County Wisconsin	it varies by township here , check your laws . the township law here is that your dogs must be under your control , and that does not mean on a leash . sounds like your dogs fit under control very well. I am a dog owner also but I accept that from the second my dog runs our of my fenced yard or I un-clip the leash or let go of the leash every thing that happens to the dog and any thing it does is my responsibility. first people let their kids run wild and expected that some one else should watch and keep their kids safe and complained when they got hurt or into trouble. not accepting it was their responsibility and not some one elses. then they let their dogs run wild and expected that some one else should watch and keep their dogs safe and complained when they got hurt or into trouble. not accepting it was their responsibility and not some one elses. America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis , and everything else stems from it. kids , dogs , drugs , DUI , crime ,anything you can think of starts and ends with a responsibility crisis. America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6188962 03/15/18 11:20 PM 03/15/18 11:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 17,740 Central Oregon AntiGov trapper
AntiGov trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 17,740 Central Oregon	Running hounds down a rural road in the middle of nowhere Wyoming should be commonplace . What's with all the leash law postings here ? Report a post club - Non member

Re: Government over reach. [Re: AntiGov] #6189001 03/16/18 12:40 AM 03/16/18 12:40 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,085 Minnesota 330-Trapper trapper
330-Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,085 Minnesota	Originally Posted By: AntiGov Running hounds down a rural road in the middle of nowhere Wyoming should be commonplace . What's with all the leash law postings here ? Exactly good grief! NRA and NTA Life Member www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com

Re: Government over reach. [Re: cmcf] #6189009 03/16/18 12:50 AM 03/16/18 12:50 AM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,503 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 45,503 james bay frontierOnt.	What would you do if your dog was killed in a legally set rotating jaw trap? Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

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