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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194107
03/20/18 09:09 PM
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Are any of you guys from Minnesota chatting about this on the forefront with any of our 3 associations? Sometimes screen names are not accurate to decipher.

I understand it is a federal matter at the moment.

Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: humptulips] #6194159
03/20/18 09:53 PM
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As long as hunters and trappers keep buying licenses to pay to have our game animals mismanaged by gosh guess what is going to happen? In this time of Canadian Wolf introduction how many states lowered license fees to compensate or recognize a new apex predator eating game animals which in turn lowers hunter opportunity?????

Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194167
03/20/18 10:00 PM
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Why do you think they are "mismanaged" ?? What are your qualifications to make that judgement ?


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: white17] #6194170
03/20/18 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: white17
Why do you think they are "mismanaged" ?? What are your qualifications to make that judgement ?
interesting and a good question!


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194175
03/20/18 10:13 PM
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You MN guys sound like you know everything about handling these wolves just like the new kid knows how to run his employers business!


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: Jurassic Park] #6194187
03/20/18 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jurassic Park
You MN guys sound like you know everything about handling these wolves just like the new kid knows how to run his employers business!
Ya well, unless you've lived here and had to deal with all these wolves, you have no idea what we are talking about.


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194205
03/20/18 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: BernieB.
Originally Posted By: Tactical.20
You were thinking you could catch one?


I absolutely guarantee I can snare one.



I will also guarantee that you, and many other trappers from MN could easily snare one.

Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194210
03/20/18 10:29 PM
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Maybe the DNR has different plans for the wolves that brings more money to them than trapper fees.
Some of you guys want to trap them just to make a video and post it on your website so YOU can make money on it and get views. Hey don’t forget to buy that trail camera from my sponsors!


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: goldy] #6194305
03/21/18 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: goldy
Originally Posted By: Jurassic Park
You MN guys sound like you know everything about handling these wolves just like the new kid knows how to run his employers business!
Ya well, unless you've lived here and had to deal with all these wolves, you have no idea what we are talking about.
JP didnt your mama teach you if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say nothing, so if i am right you have nothing to say!!!


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194310
03/21/18 12:58 AM
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Sometimes what you "hear" and what is the truth are vastly different. 15 wolves trapped on 600 acres. Uff da. I'm sure the DNR has a phone one could call to talk to someone who actually knows about those numbers. I'm sure MN,WI and MI all have similar censusing methods. Why would MN not report what they actually thought was their best guesstimate? They have a professional reputation to protect. The guys in the coffee shop do not.

Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194320
03/21/18 01:21 AM
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If the numbers are reported as lower nothing needs to be done.

Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194321
03/21/18 01:28 AM
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Why they give Lower numbers than their concievably could be over time? Statistics that we're quoted virtually the same now as decades ago IS THE QUESTION ?


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: Ole] #6194415
03/21/18 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: Ole
Sometimes what you "hear" and what is the truth are vastly different. 15 wolves trapped on 600 acres. Uff da. I'm sure the DNR has a phone one could call to talk to someone who actually knows about those numbers. I'm sure MN,WI and MI all have similar censusing methods. Why would MN not report what they actually thought was their best guesstimate? They have a professional reputation to protect. The guys in the coffee shop do not.


Ole. What are we seeing currently in the highest levels of the FBI... Organizational Reputation means nothing compared to personal agenda. Our head of the bear research department who many of us have dealt with has made it pretty clear he is against bear hunting. Bear licenses keep dropping in availability while bear numbers are crazy hi and they are expanding state wide and out of state. Wolves, no different. Keeping number counts low and truth away from the public keeps the all important wolf research business and its experts a whole lot busier than those who manage other species with the help of controlled seasons and hunters and trappers.
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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: Jurassic Park] #6194417
03/21/18 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: Jurassic Park
Maybe the DNR has different plans for the wolves that brings more money to them than trapper fees.
Some of you guys want to trap them just to make a video and post it on your website so YOU can make money on it and get views. Hey don’t forget to buy that trail camera from my sponsors!



Board Stretcher.......
This type of nonsense is standard from this one.

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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: Jurassic Park] #6194436
03/21/18 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: Jurassic Park
Maybe the DNR has different plans for the wolves that brings more money to them than trapper fees.
Some of you guys want to trap them just to make a video and post it on your website so YOU can make money on it and get views. Hey don’t forget to buy that trail camera from my sponsors!


The DNR would like to offer a hunting and trapping season but it was taken away by the courts. Wolves are not currently being managed at all in the state of minnesota, except when nuisance complaints come in, they send out a government trapper to catch a bunch of them. We are paying to have around 250 wolves per year killed, when hunters and trappers would pay for the privilege. The DNR knows that, they would prefer to have the income of course, but they cannot because the antis are abusing the Endangered species act in court to prevent any management of wolves.

Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: Osky] #6194547
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Originally Posted By: board stretcher
[/quote] JP didnt your mama teach you if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say nothing, so if i am right you have nothing to say!!!


Originally Posted By: Osky
Originally Posted By: Jurassic Park
Maybe the DNR has different plans for the wolves that brings more money to them than trapper fees.
Some of you guys want to trap them just to make a video and post it on your website so YOU can make money on it and get views. Hey don’t forget to buy that trail camera from my sponsors!



Board Stretcher.......
This type of nonsense is standard from this one.

Osky



Anything you don’t agree with is nonsense?
Thought you guys were pro voice your opinion...freedom of speech...all about your amendments. I guess only if you agree with what the other is saying. Kind of a Liberal way I guess.
I’ll tag you guys next year once I catch a wolf, prob will be a Minnesota Wolf too!

grin


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: Ole] #6194561
03/21/18 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: Ole
Sometimes what you "hear" and what is the truth are vastly different. 15 wolves trapped on 600 acres. Uff da. I'm sure the DNR has a phone one could call to talk to someone who actually knows about those numbers. I'm sure MN,WI and MI all have similar censusing methods. Why would MN not report what they actually thought was their best guesstimate? They have a professional reputation to protect. The guys in the coffee shop do not.


Well I heard it from the landowner himself, you think he wouldn't know about the numbers? He has more than a dozen trail cameras out and is still getting pics of one big male and one pup.

I know of one other case in which a gov. trapper caught 8 wolves in two days all within sight of each other. This guys owns 600 acres but I seriously doubt if they needed all 600 to trap 15 wolves. You just need to have a basic understanding of wolves, their interactions and their packs.

Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194579
03/21/18 09:58 AM
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So how are you going to pick out which non Government trappers to do the job? Are these non Government trappers qualified to do the job?
In my opinion the best way to handle these wolf problems Is with someone that Is qualified to do It and has the governments backing.
Until this wolf protection thing goes away It seems to me this Is the way It should be handled.

sounds like good old Bernie Is wanting the job.


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Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194582
03/21/18 10:00 AM
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Bernie--why were those 15 wolves trapped? Must not have been any food around with that many in one area!

Re: This stupid wolf thing [Re: BernieB.] #6194591
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I agree Beav. I can't imagine the conflicts of more than one or two trappers on a piece of ground as small as 600 acres. It is not a stretch to imagine catching that number in a small location but they sure weren't supporting themselves on that small a space................unless there was a supplemental source of grub.

As far as population numbers go........wolf numbers fluctuate a lot seasonally but I don't find it hard to believe that there is no, or low growth over a couple decades. We know their numbers will be limited by the available food sources. If it isn't there, packs will be smaller due to smaller litters, greater dispersal, greater intra and inter-pack mortality.


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