I hope you get where I'm coming from.
I get where you are coming from but here is the story in Northern MN.
We have been way over the restoration goal for wolves for decades. Wolves have not "wiped out the deer herd", but they do in areas significantly deplete deer numbers. On the other hand, Moose have been in serious decline and really are in danger of being "wiped out". The fact that they we are no longer able to have a Moose season shows that wolves are in direct competition with hunters and in this case the wolf clearly won.
Back to deer though, from a preditor prey standpoint it would have been far better for the moose if the wolves had depleted the deer. As it is now, the deer are providing a prey buffer that keeps wolf density high even with a catistrophic decline in moose. With no decline in wolf abundance there is no predation relief for moose even at current low densities and they will continue to decline.
The reason folks distrust the "studies" is that MNDNR has for years been pointing to everything but wolves for the decline in moose, when there own data would suggest otherwise. It is only recently the some researchers are beginning to implicate high predation mortality on moose calves as the primary reason for the decline.
Your comment brings up an interesting point.
So the Moose Pop. is too small for human hunting. Wolves are eating a portion of the Moose population without doubt.
Do you truly care about the Moose population or do you care because you no longer can hunt Moose?
If the Moose population can stabilize and maybe slowly increase but there is never a Moose season again are you OK with that?
Just wondering what your true motivation is here. Is it all about you and your fun or do you really care about the Moose?
As far as Moose and deer, do you discount the Brainworm? Is that just made up by the MN DNR?
If its true then what % of the Moose that the wolves eat are weakened by the brainworm and are dying a slow death anyways?
Also if the brainworm is true would it be better for the Moose if the deer population in N. MN (where I've been told they are not native anyways by posters on this forum) to decline?
Or would you prefer the wolves be eliminated, Deer Populations increase and take your chances on the Moose coming back?
As far as eating calves, how about bears? don't they eat calves too?
They can be hunted right now, maybe we should have a open all year season, unlimited bag limits. After all they eat Moose calves too and we can do something about them.
All this predator/prey stuff is not so simple.
All of you with your Little Red Riding Hood mentalities better get used to it for your own sanity. I hear all the whining about wolves eating "your deer/Moose" and the "only good wolf is a dead wolf". There is nothing that can be done right now as far as wolves in the GL area. If or when they get delisted they will still remain. If the population of wolves declines too much after delisting the states will not allow harvesting. Wolves are here to stay. They have been here for thousands of years before and there is no reason they can't be here in the future. Get used to it.