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HONEY AND HONEY BEES #6207032
04/03/18 05:17 PM
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Could use some help with my bees. I had two hives of bees I caught last summer. The first hive had a die out in January, they just run out of bees. The second hive was alive last week and was out flying on Friday and dead on Monday. On Friday it was in the high 40s on Sunday it was 14 that night,

I think there was to much moisture in the hive as the honey looks wet. It might have a little mold on it but just might be from being wet. can a person eat this honey or is it best to feed it back to the bees next summer?

Thanks Larry

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207042
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There are other that will have better insite but if it's not capped honey I wouldn't eat it. Do you have pics of the honey?

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207115
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We need more info.
Were many dead bees found tucked into the honeycomb cells?
This ongoing winter weather is very tuff on bees we only have had a few flight days all of March. Some blooms are on and pollen is out well but it’s to darn cold for bees to fly.
They want to build numbers but the flight days are not sufficient to supply pollen and nectar for brood build up. They have used up all winter stores and are relying on what they can gather now or supplements that you provide. I think late February and March is the toughest time to get them through until good weather. April here is usually a great month for our bees. Today was a good flight day.
I checked an over winter nucs on Saturday to bump it up from 5 to 10 frames and I bet they did not have a half pound of stores another couple days they would have starved out.
Folks check on the girls if your in this cold Midwest bees are struggling to survive more right now than ever.

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207143
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I have no pictures of the honey right now we are getting snow. They say up to 12 inches so will try to get some pictures when I can. Bees have been out only about 3 times all winter. They have at least 10 full frames of honey left in each hive. Was getting a lot of dead bees on bottom board all winter and I would scrape them out with a stick. Only have a 3/8 x 3 inch opening for the bees to come out in the winter. Larry

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207176
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Have the bees checked for bee mites.
Had half racks of honey still in the comb. Dead bees all over the hive in the Spring.
"Varroa mite" I believe it's called. Haven't had bees since the mites killed off our bee hives around 1995. There is a cure to fix the bee mite problem now (so I've heard).

I'm in Northern Ohio just off Lake Erie. Our weather shouldn't be much different from yours.

Good luck.


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Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207199
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im guessing you didnt treat for mites?


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Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207231
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I did treat for mites. and opened my hives each week never seen one mite. If anything I was in my hives too much. They were two swarms that I caught last summer the one that died first was a strong hive. The on that died this week was a little week. But what I would like to know is about the honey and if it would be good to eat? thanks Larry

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207304
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Mites are a cop out when people don't have an answer. Sounds to me you had a case of winter death. Leaving extra food or patties could have helped. But when you have the fluctuations in temperature like we have had smaller hives can not make it.
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Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207495
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Smaller colonies can starve to death easily in very cold weather with ample honey stores. The size of a cluster means a lot in the winter. The larger clusters can reach far and wide to gather honey. Smaller clusters will consume the honey around the cluster and when it stays cold for so long they just can’t move to the honey.
If you open the dead out hive and there are bees in a cluster clinging and they r buried up in each cell they r stuffed in there trying to gather nectar and stay warm and they simply starve from being unable to move to the honey it is a common fate and no ones fault it just happens with late swarms which do not reach a decent size.
With late swarms and not knowing the age of a queen if you can raise a new queen by August she will be a vibrant fall layer. Take any extra combs of honey and put directly above the center of smaller clusters. If you have any flight days in late winter check their positions in relation to the stored honey and move honey if need closer to the cluster.
Another thing is keep a couple young queens in Nuc boxes all season for late swarms and weaker hives. Combine them into larger stronger hives in the early fall.

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207608
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I wouldn't eat honey

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207631
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WE northerners have had a bad year for bee die offs. Some good vids out on YouTube explaining it. One is from the U of W stout that talks about a new bacteria related to mites. They stating anywhere between 80-100% die off in that county (Including the U's bees) this winter.

Another one is called "Nicotine bees". in relation to the neonicatoid based pesticides nowadays. Both are on YouTube.

And if that didn't kill your bees, it's the moisture....Welcome to the wonderful world of bee killing...I mean keeping.

Good luck...You're gonne need it.

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207647
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What about the honey?

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207789
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If honey is capped and it looked like the bees starved it’s good. Other bees in your area make it through the winter? They forage the same stuff. Honey is a very dry product that will not spoil in a capped cell. Still dont have many details. Is the hive fairly clean? Did the bees appear to starve? Are the other hives in the area? Are you going to extract? Or are you going to crush and destroy the combs?
Inspect the bees for varroa?
Is there a state apiaries or just a seasoned bee person near ya? My guess is your honey is fine but look at the whole picture.

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6207817
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I have six hives that I am pretty worried about with this weeks weather.....they all were fine and flying a bunch bringing in pollen and now its like winter hit again......brood was already building up and drones likely starting to hatch any time....this first week of April sucks for bees...

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: WHSKR] #6208026
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Originally Posted By: WHSKR
Smaller colonies can starve to death easily in very cold weather with ample honey stores. The size of a cluster means a lot in the winter. The larger clusters can reach far and wide to gather honey. Smaller clusters will consume the honey around the cluster and when it stays cold for so long they just can’t move to the honey.
If you open the dead out hive and there are bees in a cluster clinging and they r buried up in each cell they r stuffed in there trying to gather nectar and stay warm and they simply starve from being unable to move to the honey it is a common fate and no ones fault it just happens with late swarms which do not reach a decent size.
With late swarms and not knowing the age of a queen if you can raise a new queen by August she will be a vibrant fall layer. Take any extra combs of honey and put directly above the center of smaller clusters. If you have any flight days in late winter check their positions in relation to the stored honey and move honey if need closer to the cluster.
Another thing is keep a couple young queens in Nuc boxes all season for late swarms and weaker hives. Combine them into larger stronger hives in the early fall.
. This would have been my response. I’ve kept bees for 40 years, and when encountering a winter dead out hive, I always try to determine what went wrong. Late swarming= Small winter clusters or worse, an unbred virgin queen who may not have successfully mated do to low drone numbers in late summer or fall. Both parent hive and the new swarm are at risk of not surviving into the next season. Seldom do I encounter a hive that “starved” to death. Several years ago, we had an extremely wet fall. Bees couldn’t work the goldenrod flow , which resulted in little pollen being stored within the hive. What was,molded. No pollen= No brood= dead hive.

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: Matt28] #6208105
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I see more starve outs in Arkansas during Feb and first week of March. Bees here start caring pollen from the Elms the end of Jan or first part of Feb. This triggers the queen to really start laying and building up the brood nest.

If a 3 or 4 day cold spell takes place, where they have to remain in a cluster, they will stay clustered on the brood/eggs and starve with abundant honey just one or two frames away.

Heavy mite infestation going into the fall can cause colony collapse where no bees are in the hive and abundant honey remains in the hive.

Bees have started swarming in the Little Rock area last week.

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BigBrownie is right on target. In February, when the weather is correct I go into the hive and place a frame of honey between the frames of brood to prevent starving.

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Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6208123
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Most likely it was moisture.

Re: HONEY AND HONEY BEES [Re: rivercabin53] #6209166
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Thanks for the reply's everyone. Will get some more bees this summer and will feed the honey back to them. Larry

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