Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Businesses track returns on investments (ROI'S) with all advertising. If the dollars spent on advertising didn't return more than the investment, they would stop doing it and try something else, simple as that.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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I would say the vast majority of people have way more money than they need. The key word there is need. People work like n----- to make more money to buy junk that they use once or not at all and then throw it away in the trash.This consumerism is promoted by companys advertising to make people want stuff they don't need. Most city people go shopping as a recreational activity and the deed becomes more important than the goods. It is really a mass mental illness.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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When you are sliding down a huge long hill adding more oil will not help slow the process. Post WW 11 we were a united nation with a strong community based society and culture with lots of warts but we were growing together. Today it is all about individual success and or failure and we blame many if not all that are not agreeing with me on issues. Making wealthy individuals does not help grow a large and growing economy that benefits a majority. If we believe that there is only so much pie then we fight and claw for as much as we can get instead of believing with the right model we can create more pie.
Bryce Another difference is that the vast majority of the industrialized world at the close of WWII was in ruins, didn't have much of an effective labor force and was heavily in debt....with the exception of the USA. The USA was virtually unscathed by WWII and manufacturing was humming right along without missing a beat. 70 years on....the playing field has been leveled. Great point ^^
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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I would say the vast majority of people have way more money than they need. The key word there is need. People work like n----- to make more money to buy junk that they use once or not at all and then throw it away in the trash.This consumerism is promoted by companys advertising to make people want stuff they don't need. Most city people go shopping as a recreational activity and the deed becomes more important than the goods. It is really a mass mental illness. Lotta truth in that statement too Boco! J
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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You both concentrate on the manufacturing aspect and our competitive advantage after the destruction and not how the society or culture chooses to be. When you are in a long boat with many oars you work to get your into a organized stroke and all benefit as we gain speed and power. Today we put everyone in a kayak and have them flail about the best they can. which by the nature of the beast will create a few very successful but also several who will struggle to be productive and contribute and we seem to like this approach better as it gives us groups we can blame for how and why we are not working as well as we could be.
Bryce It sounds as if your speaking to communism/socialism? I think in this country we are individuals, we always have been. Our mistake is we have groups that choose not to work blaming folks that do work for the reason they don't have "stuff" rather than looking in the mirror and blaming the one person who is truly responsible for the situation that they are in. If you choose to go out and bust you butt and chase your dreams then you can be what you want to be, everyone has that choice, no one has any more special privilege these day then anyone else. I think where we have failed as a society is we have raised a gov dependent generation or two. We start putting limits to welfare, limits to gov assistance, not let people go hungry or suffer but start placing incentives to go to work. Make them do work for assistance given? many ideas out there but somehow start to get able bodied folks to work. Everyone talking about huge infrastructure projects needing to be done? well we have plenty of folks capable of operating a shovel. Also start more trade schools? Mike Rowe has great point here and spot on. Interesting thread and great points,
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Don't think for a minute the rich are not in a long boat with oar's and the rest are in Kayak's. The legislator's have created socialism and protectionism for the rich through many different channel's that's why we have the ever growing wealth gap. And this is not just true in the US but around the world.
All this money printing the central banks are doing is going directly to the top as the inflation because of it goes to the rest.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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The wealth gap was created way before money printing or any other government intervention. While millionaires are created every day the old saying that it takes money to make money was true a 100 years ago as it is true today. Never in the history of the world have we seen money printing on the scale it is going on now. And never has the wealth gap been so wide. Kinda of hard to print gold and silver before the fiat currency we have now.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Few things to consider
A manufacture I worked with compared making a part in house Vs. China (magnetic ramp for a Glock)
Same steel, same specs, heat treating....
Cost in house = $9.48 Cost in China with shipping $4.91
Now add in all the costs of business (Compound them!!!)
Manufacture over head and profit + 35 to 40%
cost of sales + 3% to 10%
Distributor + 10% to 25% (Plus cost of shipping)
+ Shipping to Dealer
Now your at Dealer cost...... + 25 to 50% pending for Dealer's overhead and profit
$ 29.99 Vs $13.99 retail to you and I
Second thing that will get everyone's panties in an up-roar. When our women went to work, and remained working post war.
It was the first time in US economics that the vast majority of US families had duel incomes and abundance of cash for luxury items. Fueled the economy by huge leaps and bounds. Families were not only buying A new car, they bought a second car. Spoiled kids with more toys, built / bought bigger homes, and so on.
Multiple things happened. Demand grew beyond supply. Corporations grew and the wave of self-sufficient small companies dwindled. People grew accustom to "having it now". Credit cards became the norm. Profits for shareholders and executives became more important than sustained economics for the "common man".
So here we are today....fueling corporate greed where nearly every family must have duel incomes just to survive.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Go weight up a steel product at harbor freight then go try to buy that same amount of steel at your local supplier.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Maybe pricing foreign junk higher might end up being a good thing for the buyer and the Country in the end. Most of the junk we get to choose from is junk in a quality wrapper often. Exactly
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Same thing happens in every single economic structure ever built, capitalism, socialism, communism, empiricism, kingdoms and even no structure at all. All the wealth moves mostly in one direction, eventually a tiny few own almost all of it, as is the case today in America. Their interests become the cultures priorities, like it or not. Eventually either war, or famine, or revolution, or some out of the ordinary situation puts an end to it. And we start over on the same trail. They did in Greece, Rome, China, the Mid-east, the story is always the same. It boils down to when people decide they have had enough of it and take the French option and drag the oligarchs out in the street and cut their heads off.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Just wait until China figures out we can't pay back our debt. They probably won't be excepting anymore green paper for there real manufactured product's anymore. Trump is just speeding up that process.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Same thing happens in every single economic structure ever built, capitalism, socialism, communism, empiricism, kingdoms and even no structure at all. All the wealth moves mostly in one direction, eventually a tiny few own almost all of it, as is the case today in America. Their interests become the cultures priorities, like it or not. Eventually either war, or famine, or revolution, or some out of the ordinary situation puts an end to it. And we start over on the same trail. They did in Greece, Rome, China, the Mid-east, the story is always the same. It boils down to when people decide they have had enough of it and take the French option and drag the oligarchs out in the street and cut their heads off. All fiat currency's have ended the same. It will be no different this time.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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All fiat currency's have ended the same. It will be no different this time. So far at this time the tiny few, (and I mean tiny, as in only 6 entities) are doing a marvelous job of keeping the American public divided along imaginary ideological lines with the media, to prevent their necessary consolidation and subsequent move on control that would be necessary to actually change anything. Citizens United was the worst Supreme Court decision in history, and what has followed it has pretty much turned complete control of our govt. and it's vast resources over to the richest people not only in this country but the world. If Americans are going to change things so that the majority and their needs are our nations priority, then things are going to have to change. Otherwise we are destined for the same fate as all powerful nations who came before us.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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The cost of things is very high and going up..folks today base their self esteem on how many nice things they own and what false self esteem they have rather than who they are and how they behave in general. Caring so much about what some people you will never meet on the internet think about you is a prime example of a created false reality.
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Re: Reason things cost so much.
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Aren't most things more affordable today (when adjusted for inflation/purchasing power) then in years past? I would disagree but I guess its what you are comparing. A slightly used truck didn't used to cost more than 2 years salary for some folks as I understand it. I also hear old timers say time and time again that farming is a dying breed. I agree, I would love town a farm for me and my kids but prices of land, homes, tractors, trucks, feed, really makes it unrealistic for a young man/family.
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