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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218163
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Randy T I agree on the boiler cleaner. They flushed a lot of water to try and achieve the same thing. The circulator with IFC I also agree.....the photo of the new circulator doesn't look like it has the sticker indicting it has one. 3 speed circulator might be a better option on this installation.


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218169
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RandyT you have been around the block a time or two. A bypass is the usual way to temper the boiler water to prevent shock and circulator short cycling. well done!


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218170
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Charles2 in my opinion the grundfos gives some options and with old radiators the system was probably filled with gunk. That in its self was probably hard on those other three pumps. usually when I change a boiler I replace everything with new.

Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218184
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Without a doubt there is build up in the older part of this system. The 3 speed circulator is a wise choice as is its placement in the supply main. The piping arrangement that is more straight along will also reduce the friction loss. The time of installation would have been an ideal time to address this so there would be minimum complaints and call backs.


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218192
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agreed, 95 percent of new installation problems are installer created, hate to say it but I have been there. I learn the fastest by getting thunked along side of the head.

Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218195
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Me too! I would prefer to learn from the mistakes of others.......but my learning curve is too long!


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218197
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my learning curve is straight up LOL, not so much now days though.

Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218206
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How long you been in this trade?


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218208
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since 1983, I'm a master plumber, class b boiler installer and a mechanical contractor

Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218221
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Holy crap Randy. I thought I was a veteran with 20 years in this trade. but I was only four when you got in the trade Good for you. I hope my knees hold out that long

Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218223
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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218249
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Originally Posted By: Canvasback2
Originally Posted By: greenetrapper
Is it an old t87f with a Mercury bulb? if it is the heat anticipator it needs to be set or changed out to a digital thermostat



Brand new Honeywell 7 Day electronic Thermostat on the wall.



I bought a honeywell 7 day last fall for my garage. It worked for a week and died. New batteries, and it would work for a few minutes. took it back to the store, and they said there was a problem with them. they had a whole box of them that had been returned.

Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218377
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Randy I thought you had a lot of experience by your responses. I worked with my Grandfather who was a master plumber in Phila in the 70s and I took Vo tech also. I started in 87 after 6 years in the Army and a couple of years trying to find my way. Been a pleasure conversing with you......you are a smart and knowledgeable man.

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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218383
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Greene Trapper, protect those knees and all of those valuable parts.........they need to last as long as possible.


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218389
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Back to the original post.......Canvasback how your system operating? I would make another call to your HVAC company. I believe that you paid for a professional boiler change out that should guarantee proper and safe operation. I don't believe you are there yet.


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218404
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Charles:

Since I raised the temp on the wall thermostat to 72, the Boiler is running good. Temp is staying at 72. Heat in all the Radiators. Will know tonight if it is still working good. Wall Thermostat is programmed to turn down to 65 Degrees at 11:30 PM

Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218411
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I told one of the repairmen, that there are less problems with a Wood Stove ! He came back with "Then you have to haul the wood in the house and clean the Chimney every year! "

Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218419
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I think that I would still put the call in to your installer and tell him what is going on. It still is not working as it should. I believe you will find that the gravity heat will persist in the same radiators as before, after tstat set back due to reasons discussed in the responses to your post. That open flowcheck needs to be addressed if no internal flowcheck exists............it doesn't appear there is one as there would be a IFC notice in the circulator. Just my opinion.


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218422
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Until that repairman fixes this condition......tell him he needs to haul the wood and ash for you!


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Re: NEW Boiler is JUNK!! [Re: Canvasback2] #6218424
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What is your closest city and how far from it?


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