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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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wkimble1 beat me to the answer.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Another question for the evolution guys. Where did it begin and where does it end Nobody knows the answer to that question. Curious men seeking knowledge will never stop thinking and theorizing about it.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Religions were created as a form of social control. If you give people rules that they need to abide by or else they would end up in an eternal horror after death with absolutely ZERO means of proving or disproving what they’ve been told. Science does the same. Welcome to the club.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Real science provides data, proof and repeatable experiments to support it's findings. Everything else is just theory, like religion.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Lugnut do you agree that something had to be created for everything to evolve from. No matter your beliefs, its not possible without creation It is reasonable to assume that something has to exist prior to evolution.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Yes sir
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If there is no creator there is no real moral law and of there's no real moral law what is wrong with doing whatever I want whenever I want. The animals we supposedly came can do it and it ok. That is one of the key reasons different religions in different cultures were created by men; to instill a sense of morality in the general population and for the church and/or ruling authorities to provide punishment for immoral acts. you said "to install a SENSE of morality" as if morality is man made. If that's the case how can there really be " immoral acts" to punish. Each individual could create his own moral laws and it would be just as right as not right. Which is where we are going. In other words you can't create morality to punish immorality.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Religion is absolute in that we will all be able to prove or disprove it one day
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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If there is no creator there is no real moral law and of there's no real moral law what is wrong with doing whatever I want whenever I want. The animals we supposedly came can do it and it ok. That is one of the key reasons different religions in different cultures were created by men; to instill a sense of morality in the general population and for the church and/or ruling authorities to provide punishment for immoral acts. you said "to install a SENSE of morality" as if morality is man made. If that's the case how can there really be " immoral acts" to punish. Each individual could create his own moral laws and it would be just as right as not right. Which is where we are going. Morality is a human ideal, it is man-made. Lower life forms have no knowledge of it. Immoral acts are defined by man as are the punishments for those acts. It goes back to my statement about our specie being sentient beings. We are self-aware. We are capable of being either deliberately moral or immoral. In my opinion, ancient thinkers knew that and knew they needed rules in place to guide the masses, the invention of various religions served that purpose perfectly.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Yes sir
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If man can create moral law can he change moral law and it be ok if it improves the species? Such as if it is in the best interest of the species is it morally ok to depose of the less intelligent say 2/3rds of the gene pool?
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Another question for the evolution guys. Where did it begin and where does it end Look at our leaders around the world and our own in D.C. and society as a whole. We have clearly peaked as a society and are on the downhill trend.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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It is generally accepted that threads such as these rarely convince or resolve anyone of anything.
Today, I know that thinking is wrong. You have convinced me!
I am now completely convinced, strengthened in my resolve, to continue to pray with a now longer prayer list.
For you all, believers and non-believers alike, I sincerely wish for the Lord's blessings to be upon you.
"My feeling is this, give him plenty of time, plenty of birds, and a little direction, and he'll hunt his heart out for me. That's all I ask."
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Forget the entire argument of evolution/adaptation/mutation of various species.
The question is where did life originate from?
Back in the 70's and 80's apologists for evolution of the species (I won't call them scientists) argued that life sprang into existence beginning with an electric arc in an atmosphere of ammonia and other compounds that supposedly created an amino acid with protein-like qualities.
That theory as to the origin of life has pretty much been de-bunked by the scientific community.
You really haven't heard much argument by scientists recently as to the origins of life. They are smart enough to realize they don't have the answer. The deeper they get into the subject the more complex it gets.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Did you ever wonder what you'd believe in if you were born in some other country?
Would you be Buddhist, Hindu or some other religion and not believe the Bible you do now?
You were only taught one way as a child, and who's to say that is the right way? I've wondered that too. But I know I have found the truth. How so? Have you explored all the other religions? It's easy to say, i know i'm right because i've been brainwashed to believe this or that.
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Forget the entire argument of evolution/adaptation/mutation of various species.
The question is where did life originate from?
Back in the 70's and 80's apologists for evolution of the species (I won't call them scientists) argued that life sprang into existence beginning with an electric arc in an atmosphere of ammonia and other compounds that supposedly created an amino acid with protein-like qualities.
That theory as to the origin of life has pretty much been de-bunked by the scientific community.
You really haven't heard much argument by scientists recently as to the origins of life. They are smart enough to realize they don't have the answer. The deeper they get into the subject the more complex it gets. Scientific theory is just that; theory. Scientists gather what limited data is available through observation and experimentation then postulate theories based on that. As more data and/or understanding becomes available, some theories are called into question and others take their place. There are no cold hard facts in religion either. There are as many theories as there are religions. What makes a christian believe his God is more real than Allah or Brahman or any of the other deities of the dozens of religions worldwide?
Eh...wot?
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Yes sir
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If man can create moral law can he change moral law and it be ok if it improves the species? Such as if it is in the best interest of the species is it morally ok to depose of the less intelligent say 2/3rds of the gene pool? lugnut you didn't Dodge my question did u?
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Re: Creationism or evolution?
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Yes sir
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Forget the entire argument of evolution/adaptation/mutation of various species.
The question is where did life originate from?
Back in the 70's and 80's apologists for evolution of the species (I won't call them scientists) argued that life sprang into existence beginning with an electric arc in an atmosphere of ammonia and other compounds that supposedly created an amino acid with protein-like qualities.
That theory as to the origin of life has pretty much been de-bunked by the scientific community.
You really haven't heard much argument by scientists recently as to the origins of life. They are smart enough to realize they don't have the answer. The deeper they get into the subject the more complex it gets. Scientific theory is just that; theory. Scientists gather what limited data is available through observation and experimentation then postulate theories based on that. As more data and/or understanding becomes available, some theories are called into question and others take their place. There are no cold hard facts in religion either. There are as many theories as there are religions. What makes a christian believe his God is more real than Allah or Brahman or any of the other deities of the dozens of religions worldwide? the difference for Christians is the God provides a way for forgiveness and Grace and 2 their Savior rose from the dead. And I believe the facts are there but people have free will to believe them or not. My 2 cents
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