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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: pass-thru] #6221149
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Originally Posted By: pass-thru
If you don't believe in evolution, how do you explain the fossil record that supports it? How did so many races of people come from just Adam and Eve?


Fossils happen from remains being quickly covered over and "preserved", not from animals dying and decomposing on open ground. When Mount Saint Helens erupted, and the ensuing catastrophe was observed in real time, things that were previously believed to take 1000s of years, were observed occurring in a matter of hours. Imagine the effect of a worldwide flood!

Creationism teaches that the DNA contained in Adam and Eve, contained the blueprint for all of the human race.

Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221170
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Way before I became a Christian I never believed the whole evolution theory.
Ancient people knew we were created. The whole theory started in the 19th century. It's hard to believe that a truth that's been around from millenia is all of a sudden nonsense.

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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221175
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Scientific fact is fact only when it can hypothisized,tested and retested to confirm.
I understand evolution to be a hypothesis but someone point me to the peer reviewed study where life has been created in the lab.


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: pass-thru] #6221193
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Originally Posted By: pass-thru
If you don't believe in evolution, how do you explain the fossil record that supports it? How did so many races of people come from just Adam and Eve?


I have an answer for the first part of your question, it isn't popular. The second part is easily explained by sins, inbreeding and habitat. lol


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221196
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I don't think all scientists believe in evolution. The ones that don't are pushed aside and not given a voice in the scientific world. Evolution is a theory that is taken as a fact. The more I learn about evolution and what it take to be true the more gaps I find. I believe if a person is opened minded and really searchs for the truth there is a lot of science that points to created order. Keep searching for the truth, I believe there's a lot riding on it.

Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221198
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Animals and birds that are isolated on islands certainly evolve through mutation and natural selection to be different than other members of the same species. Many examples of evoluution.

Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: charles] #6221204
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Originally Posted By: charles
Animals and birds that are isolated on islands certainly evolve through mutation and natural selection to be different than other members of the same species. Many examples of evoluution.
different members of the same species doesn't seem to fill the gaps in evolution for me. "Of the same species" being the key words.

Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: trapper les] #6221226
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Originally Posted By: trapper les
We had this discussion back in 2011 . I won .


You just think you did. Was there grin


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221228
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LOL...ah ha !


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221237
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When I look upon the landscape, I simply can not believe that all I see, including myself, friends, and family, were a random confluence of happenstance for something to "evolve" from nothingness.

To be fair, it requires faith to believe in either the THEORY of Evolution or the THEORY of Creationism.

Based upon the evidence I have seen and experienced, I choose to place my faith in the Biblical account of creation.

The Atheist Delusion Movie, which Ray Comfort created, pointed out many comparisons and contrasts between creationism and evolution. However there was one point he made which I had never considered before. This isn't an exact quote, but this is the main idea.

When someone asks me to believe in the theory of evolution, they aren't saying they want me to believe that over a period of hundreds of thousands of years, that some organism evolved into a separate organism. Rather, they are asking me to believe that over a period of hundreds of thousands of years, two separate organisms evolved into two separate other organisms at the same point of time in history and at the same or nearly same exact location upon this planet in such a way that they were genetically compatible to produce offspring. In addition, they are also asking me to believe that this "evolution of organisms", which is by its nature more or less random, did so in such a way as to form hundreds if not thousands of species by randomly appearing on the landscape as two separate entities, in the same time of history, in nearly the same locale, to do so over, and over, and over again until the present time.

I'm not a believer of coincidence and I certainly don't believe that process could have evolved into the world we have today.

Incidentally, The Atheist Delusion is only an hour long and is not only a great movie to help you mull over the idea of a Creator God (whether you are or aren't a believer), but the videography is absolutely stunning. I highly recommend the movie to everyone.


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221238
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Evolution or not....In the beginning; something was created.

That means there was/is a creator. I can't define Him. You can't define Him. Organized religion can't agree on Him.

That said: I believe a portion of Him is with us all as a component of our soul.


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221269
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I don't understand how anyone capable of critical thought can deny evolution exists. It's obvious and there are myriad examples of different species evolving.

I personally believe some sort of higher power exists and intervened in some way to begin life on this planet. Life that has been evolving since. Evolution and divine intervention make a great deal of sense to me.

I am very skeptical of creationism as explained in various religious tomes.


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221271
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It's not any more difficult to believe in one or the other, as there is not a definitive answer for either.

One is explained by stories in a big thick book written thousands of years after the fact, done over and over again, by many who were not even around to get witness from it.

The other is a constant debate of hundreds of so called scholars still trying to figure out what happened and how when it did.

There has been no one come back from where ever to settle either debate and it rages on and will continue to do so until the end and then a new debate will start about the end !


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221272
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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221273
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Exactly


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221274
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A true scientist rules out nothing. To do so, would disqualify one from being considered a true scientist.
This includes the possibility of divine intervention.
True science does not rely on faith. It relies on physical evidence. Unfortunately the folks with the megaphones do not represent the true scientists.
Evolution of any significance will not occur over hundreds of thousands of years. It takes millions or hundreds of millions of years.
As far as the lack of fossil records to support proof of evolution, the formation of a fossil is a very rare occurrence requiring some very specific circumstances to form them. So of course there will be huge gaps in lineage of the process of evolution.

Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: trapper les] #6221275
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Originally Posted By: trapper les
LOL...ah ha !


If I remember right we had this thing going about theory and what you call fact. Us science guys call Einsteins equation a theory that encompasses Energy, time and gravity. It has been proven over and over to be correct. But we call it a theory and get mocked for it , because ... duh science don't know everything. ( well of course not, because if it did, it would stop ) Yet science can and it based upon replication. We have to prove things over and over again in order to have a proven theory.
Religion on the other hand just has to come up with a whacadoodle story and call it fact. And thats it ..... its a fact. No replication, no proof , no phone helpline. Boink .. thats it and there you have it. If ya don't agree or even like it, we have made an imaginary place where you will burn forever. Job done .... no further explanations needed. I hope you is scared now and sign up how not to get burned.


That was that thread in a condensed form as far as I can recall anyway


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: harleydparts] #6221277
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To be truthful, and it is hard, I cant remember quite how that thread went, so I just automatically claimed victory anyway. Same type deal as Trump naming everything after himself...but different.


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Re: Creationism or evolution? [Re: 52Carl] #6221279
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Originally Posted By: 52Carl
A true scientist rules out nothing. To do so, would disqualify one from being considered a true scientist.
This includes the possibility of divine intervention.
True science does not rely on faith. It relies on physical evidence. Unfortunately the folks with the megaphones do not represent the true scientists.
Evolution of any significance will not occur over hundreds of thousands of years. It takes millions or hundreds of millions of years.
As far as the lack of fossil records to support proof of evolution, the formation of a fossil is a very rare occurrence requiring some very specific circumstances to form them. So of course there will be huge gaps in lineage of the process of evolution.


learn your numbers first grasshopper eat a rough estimate this planet is 4.543 billion years old.
Care to put the right number of "0" to that ??


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