Hello all,
I've been thinking about this subject on and off for the last two decades or so. Here's the parameters of this discussion- no Biblical references. Not the Bible, not the Koran, not the Tanakh. Just science and common sense.
The Bible, in any language or belief says some higher being created the world & life as we know it. More or less. Science which none of us can deny says we and everything else has evolved. Dinosaurs were here, they are gone. Horses oriented in North America, went extinct, were reintroduced. Camels inordinated in North America. It goes on and on. Undeniable.
Evolution- we evolved from some type of warmed oceanantic (?) slim. Amebas came together and formed the basic form of life. Where did amebas come from? Here's the problem I have with all that from a strictly science/common sense based thought process, they tell me everything is a learned process over time (100,000 years) well o.k.. How did the first 200,000 generations (50 years each) survive till we had this 'learned' behavior?
I am not religious, I believe the ten commandants are very good rules to live by, other than that, not so much. Your thoughts?

It takes more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in God..
And I think you answered your own question. It didn't evolve.
God created it.

Never has been any proof of anything changing from one species to another. I don't care how many billions of years you give it. A dog will not evolve into a cat.

Big bang, something from nothing. Who lit the match?

We had this discussion back in 2011 . I won .

If you believe in a evolution....why are there still Apes around ?

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I wasn't around in 2011. You want to explain the argument within the parameters of this thread?

This one's gonna get good. I am going to put some kernals in the microwave, and watch them evolve into popcorn.

Exactly. And I'll add, God never intended for us to have all the answers.

Not every one was chosen.

It's amazing to me that anybody could look at all the things that work to perfection in the natural world and not think it had to have come from an intelligent being.

LOL, I was merrily alluding to how the same arguments come up again and again...seems redundant, but...carry on.

Ask White17 He will know.

"I am not religious, I believe the ten commandants are very good rules to live by, other than that, not so much. Your thoughts?"

Isn't this a contradiction in terms? I believe the Ten Commandments came from the Bible!!!

It's your choice to believe what you want.

As for me and my house we will serve the LORD.


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If you don't believe in evolution, how do you explain the fossil record that supports it? How did so many races of people come from just Adam and Eve?

Maybe God created evolution...certainly Man couldn't have thought it up on his own . What say you ?

Notice how I tie the two together under one house ?

I think you are starting off with a fundamental flaw in your initial premise. "Science" is supposed to take evidence, and interpret that evidence in a systematic way (the Scientific Method) and then state their conclusion.

Modern science has itself become a religion. It starts with a "fact", instead of a hypothesis, and then tries to cram "evidence" into that "fact" to make it believable. For example, there is nowhere, and has never been, and will never be the "geologic column". It "exists" in fragments, but to make the evolutionary model work, science has convinced the masses that it "could" exist, and therefore does. Also, the evolutionary chain is incomplete since it lacks the "missing link"- a species that needs to branch the animal kingdom to the human kingdom. It would have to contain a proportionate number of beings akin to the species it seeks to join, namely man and ape. The fossil record should be littered with this critical component, and it isn't... it's "missing"....

We came through a period of modernism, where the thought process was "if science says it's true, then we have to believe it". (Science ran with this unmitigated power). We now find ourself in a "post modern" society, where the thought process is that there is "no truth", not even in science.

Creationism has an evolutionary component, but it is not vertical, it is horizontal. A dog, for example would "evolve" into different breeds or adaptions. Look what man has done with his playing around of breeds (mostly ruining the truest characteristics of the dog, but nonetheless forcibly "evolving" it.) The fact that animals can only reproduce after their "kind" though, and the absence of transitional forms, almost completely invalidates any concept of vertical evolution.

JMO of course.

Cannot be proven either way so without some faith then the preference will be evolution. However, in my spirituality both occurred. Creationism of energy, chemicals, DNA or life and then evolution. Evolution has to occur when you consider the length of time this planet has supported life.

I will put serious thought into your first sentence. That is profound.