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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6241733
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$.02, set all traps up for short staking, with minimum of three universal type swivels (this six swivel points) and double staking (I use 5 links of chain for this: a chestnut loop is good too) then if you need to use a drag or clog you can easily add 8-12' of heavy chain at the stake loop. I sometimes might add an extension chain and tie to tree or log. I use clogs more than stakes in timber.
and fwiw, I don't think the extension chain benefits from any swivels, keep them all in the foot of chain at the trap, that extension is meant to tangle up.

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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: The Beav] #6241744
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
Would a regular rotary type cordless work better In that type of soil? Might not bust up the ground like a hammer drill.

I guess nothing ventured nothing gained.


I've posted this before. Here is what I use. I carry extra batteries & have a 12 volt charger for the drill batteries. I will never pound again. The hammer is either 6 or 8 pounds and only takes a few hits after the hole is drilled.


Re: Chain length and type? [Re: Boone Liane] #6241752
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Originally Posted By: Boone Liane
Originally Posted By: Taximan
Yes Beav.I have a 1/2"x21",Bosch,masonry bit.I drill all the way for rebar stakes and about 16" for 18" smooth stakes.These are all,crossed stakes-no singles.I'm using either a 20V Dewalt,hammer drill or 20V rotary hammer.I can drill a hole in frozen ground faster than I can pound a stake in with a 5# hammer and no strain on my shoulder or wrist.Give this a try Beav.This will take the fight out of driving those stakes


How often do you use the hammer drill?


I played with the hammer drill last fall. Hard frosty DRY ground, but not froze yet.

I was ready to boot the thing into the creek. Didnt work worth a crap.


I use mine for every set. You either need a different bit or a different drill.

Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6241792
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@ The Beav
The 18 & 20 Volt cordless SDS+ roto hammers should drill a 1" hole all the way through a concrete slab or wall, if your dirt is "hard as concrete" you might want one. The industrial masonry drill bits don't have smooth round shanks; the SDS and SDS+ are grove&spline lock-in systems and a roto hammer is to a hammer drill as a Kenworth is to a C-10.

Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6241826
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Would It be any benefit to drill like a 3/8ths hole for a 1/2" stake.


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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6242049
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Beav - yes, drilling 3/8” hole for a 1/2” stake works. It makes driving much easier than no hole. And you learn if there is a rock obstruction. It is like a pilot hole for a screw, smaller than the threads. Depending on soil conditions, sometimes I use 3/8” or 1/2” bit for 1/2” stake. Definitely worth experimenting and carrying on the line. I use it at every set. No more beating everything into the ground. Easier on equipment and especially broken up wrists and shoulders.


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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6242249
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Ya I hear you.
I'm going to PT twice a week now to see If I can get a bit of my old range of motion back Into my shoulders. I think It's because of all the long hours bent over a fleshing beam.

I'm all for doing things easier In my old age.


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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6242362
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Beav - good luck with the physical therapy. I hope that it helps you greatly. A good therapist can be very helpful.

I seriously work hard to maintain strength, flexibility, and range of motion. Every year it takes more work. I am on a serious program to not injure or reinjure myself. I am working smarter than ever before. I have broken my back twice and my shoulders and wrists are in bad shape from injuries. For me any period of inactivity is bad. Keep moving to keep moving!

My wife bought me a new tractor with a front end loader. That should take some strain off my back and shoulders. I guess she wants me around awhile longer.

Best wishes.


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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6242675
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I have drilled 3/4" holes in frozen ground for 3/4" diameter nail pin stakes when setting forms and they held for what we wanted, so I'd say 3/8" drill for 1/2" stake should work fine. On one job a fellow had cut the shank off an old SDS bit and welded a small cup made with 1" pipe nipple to it so that he could use the Roto Hammer on hammer only to drive the stakes, I don't know if the battery models have this much power or not and I'm not sure how that worked out over time; just stuck in the brain as him being innovative.

Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6243663
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I would suggest 2 - 3 foot chains on 1.5 traps and bigger.

Re: Chain length and type? [Re: AuthorTrapper] #6244467
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Originally Posted By: AuthorTrapper
I would suggest 2 - 3 foot chains on 1.5 traps and bigger.
Not arguing, but can you explain why?

I have read/heard reasons for 1' chains and reasons for 10' chains, but, none that would lead me to 2'or 3' chain.

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At least not on a 1 1/2 sized trap. I don't want a critter getting up a head of steam when caught In small trap.

No more then 12" of chain for me.


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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: tjm] #6247065
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Originally Posted By: tjm
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I would suggest 2 - 3 foot chains on 1.5 traps and bigger.
Not arguing, but can you explain why?

I have read/heard reasons for 1' chains and reasons for 10' chains, but, none that would lead me to 2'or 3' chain.

I like 2-3 ft of chain because
#1. So the animal can't jerk up on it
#2. So you can wire your trap to a tree if need be.
#3. If you do wire it to the tree you can wrap the chain around the tree before wiring.

Re: Chain length and type? [Re: The Beav] #6247066
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
At least not on a 1 1/2 sized trap. I don't want a critter getting up a head of steam when caught In small trap.

No more then 12" of chain for me.

Good point! I like the long chains for wiring my traps to trees.

Re: Chain length and type? [Re: tjm] #6247122
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Originally Posted By: tjm
Originally Posted By: AuthorTrapper
I would suggest 2 - 3 foot chains on 1.5 traps and bigger.
Not arguing, but can you explain why?

I have read/heard reasons for 1' chains and reasons for 10' chains, but, none that would lead me to 2'or 3' chain.


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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6247758
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I don't like to wire anything when it comes to coyotes or bigger and wrapping the trap's chain around a tree,puts the terminal swivel out of commission.I prefer to use an extension cable or chain around the tree in such a fashion that it can slide around the tree,not cinched down.The trap chain is then attached to the extension with a quick link.

Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6247875
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I agree Taximan that extensions work better for me. It also lets me place the trap away from the tree instead of right up against it. My experiences with some different chain setups make me want the chain shorter than 15" (~1') or longer than 3'.
The in between lengths seem to have all the disadvantages of both long and short chains, in that a jumper can still pump a stake and that a run & lungers can get up some momentum.
A very short chain on the trap lets if double stake/earth anchor nicely and with an extension becomes long enough to either work with a drag or tie off.

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If I have to hook up to tree to make a set. I'm not going to make It.


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Re: Chain length and type? [Re: SleeplessKnights] #6248282
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Here are my typical chain setups.I much prefer the Sterling swivels over the universal type.

Here is a wolf setup with 4' chain and stainless,600#,cast swivels.I'll be putting mid-chain swivels on these.I don't put mid swivels on short chains.

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