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#2 dls #6244673
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I've got a few dozen #2 dls and am trying to get more. I've always just used them stock but have had some losses on coon. My question is, what is the best mods to do to them for a multi-species trap? I use them for rats, mink, coon and the occasional fox. I know it's asking a lot out of one trap, but I just love to use them. While lams are good for the fox, I worry about them with coon. While double jaws are good for coon, I worry about the loss of "inside the jaw" space for fox. And you never know, I could end up with a coyote stepping on the pan.... Anyway, all advice/suggestions are appreciated.
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Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244676
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I don't know about the best bet these are some I've done. My give you some ideas


Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244680
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If the springs are strong, I wouldn't do anything except put a good chain setup on them. JMO


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244704
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No lams for coon and no offsets.
Like catch 22 said. Leave them alone.

Keep those #2 dbls In the water and most of your problems will go away when It comes to coon losses.


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Re: #2 dls [Re: The Beav] #6244714
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
No lams for coon and no offsets.
Like catch 22 said. Leave them alone.

Keep those #2 dbls In the water and most of your problems will go away when It comes to coon losses.


Heard this before, and offsets I understand, but why no lams?

Re: #2 dls [Re: eastwood44mag] #6244733
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Originally Posted By: eastwood44mag
Originally Posted By: The Beav
No lams for coon and no offsets.
Like catch 22 said. Leave them alone.

Keep those #2 dbls In the water and most of your problems will go away when It comes to coon losses.


Heard this before, and offsets I understand, but why no lams?
Well really there seems to be two separate schools of thought with this.One is a stock or double jaw is best for coon because it holds into there slick foot better due to the narrower jaw face and that lams make too much surface area and allow for more pull outs and the other is that the lamination provides better holding power. Some have also argued you get less chewing with laminated traps and almost non with off sets.

Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244738
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might help too if you really wanna get fancy


So the base trap is an unmodified Sleepy Creek #2DBLS I got in a trade. So first thing we need to do is clean off the jaws and jaw faces, a flap disk on the ole' angle cleans it up real nice in a few swipes.
Before

After

Now we laminate the trap. Im using pieces of cattle pannel. If you don't use a material heavy enough you can bun through it while welding the seam shut. One problems with the pannel is its pretty heavy so you wanna bend it a lil so it confirms to your jaws .
Clamped before welding

After


Now we need to either remove or clamo the springs down so theirs no pressure in the jaws . if you don't know what your doing the pressure fromthe springs Can warp the jaws while welding due to heat. If you've never done this CLAMP OR REMOVE SPRINGS ! As you see here I have mine clamped with some vice grips so I can work .

Now were going to welded the seam between the jaw and the lamination. This is also a good time to weld your lugs if you want it off set.

Just wanna show how hot your jaws can get and why you wanna be carful.

Now the seam is welded were gonna grind everything down flush. Again a flap disk is best.
Before

After

Make sure not to grind too long in one spot,you'll and up washing out the jaw..
Lil bit of paint aaand


This isn't needed but I know some films love the way this looks so hope this helps !

Re: #2 dls [Re: Wolfdog91] #6244739
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Caught a bunch of coon last season in 550 OS (coyote and cat sets) , and probably 75% or more had chewed.

I think we can all agree that coon are half stupid and half crazy.

Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244746
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Dang Wolfy nice work on the DLS.. I have less coon chew with 18 inch chains than short chains with any trap, and os or closed.. Coon are just flat mean cranky and crazy..


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Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244769
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You won't have any chewing with a toe caught coon In an offset since It will be gone. LOL

Coon even chew below the double jawed traps. It's what they do. Double jawed traps were built for one reason. That's so when the coon chewed on It's foot there was enough left between the 2 jaws to keep It In the trap.

Catch a coon by the hind foot and you won't have any chewing.

If your going to trap coon with foot hold traps keep them In the water and your problems for the most part will go away.
Those #2 dbls are great coon traps when used right.


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Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244814
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I get and know the " use them in the water for coon" part. My problem with the coons comes at fox sets. Do you think that double jaws will hurt me with fox catches?


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Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244826
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Back before the coyotes moved in we set #2dls's for coon and caught plenty, some fox too with no mods other than the chain. I would just make sure you have good #2 machine chain and 3 swivels. We all get pullouts from time to time, imo, a lot due to trapper era. If your experiencing a lot of pullouts, it ain't the jaws. My guess is spring strength. Using one trap for multi species is good, as long as you separate the weaker ones out for rats and such. JMO


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244828
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Probably not.
But don't go putting those over sized pans on your traps. Those over sized pans when dealing with small jaw spreads are going to cause you problems.

Make sure your traps have strong springs because when you start adding more iron to that trap It's going to have to move more dirt when It fires.
Laminations may help some with animal comfort when trapping dry ground. But It won't reduce any chewing.

In my experience with coon I would just square off the jaw faces so there are no sharp edges and go for It.


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Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6244859
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm thinking about just changing out the chain, adding double jaws and bubble tipping the jaws. And Beav- no oversized pans for me. I can't trap bobcats where I am, which is the only benefit to expanded pans IMO. What about adding baseplates? I think it would definitely help for coyotes, but would also help sink the critters in the water. I thought about PIT pans with rod dogs, but that wouldn't be beneficial for rats and mink. Guess I'll just do the old "wrap of wire" to take the side slop out....


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And Wolfdog- AWESOME work! For a strictly K-9 trap, those would be killer!


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Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6245058
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Caught hundreds of coyotes in #2 longs. And i don't even want to guess on number of coon, badger, fox, cats, possum, you name it those #2 long spring traps. Feel free to PM me. I mostly set land sets too.
Jim


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Re: #2 dls [Re: jabNE] #6245063
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Originally Posted By: jabNE
Caught hundreds of coyotes in #2 longs. And i don't even want to guess on number of coon, badger, fox, cats, possum, you name it those #2 long spring traps. Feel free to PM me. I mostly set land sets too.
Jim

Yep, when it comes to #2dls, this is the guy that knows. He has a great setup, even if they are pink. grin


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: #2 dls [Re: jabNE] #6245075
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Originally Posted By: jabNE
Caught hundreds of coyotes in #2 longs. And i don't even want to guess on number of coon, badger, fox, cats, possum, you name it those #2 long spring traps. Feel free to PM me. I mostly set land sets too.
Jim
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JaBNE on #2longs :










Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6245184
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Geez wolfy, you saved all of my crazy rantings?
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Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6245339
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Originally Posted By: Ditchdiver
Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm thinking about just changing out the chain, adding double jaws and bubble tipping the jaws. And Beav- no oversized pans for me. I can't trap bobcats where I am, which is the only benefit to expanded pans IMO. What about adding baseplates? I think it would definitely help for coyotes, but would also help sink the critters in the water. I thought about PIT pans with rod dogs, but that wouldn't be beneficial for rats and mink. Guess I'll just do the old "wrap of wire" to take the side slop out....
you could do a miles trigger or you could a a dogless with Monty dogless pan and a few nuts. Problem with the miles though is that once you get it set that's what it's gonna say

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Originally Posted By: Ditchdiver
And Wolfdog- AWESOME work! For a strictly K-9 trap, those would be killer!
thank you kindly! Now these are more of a 1.65 dbls ( converted from 11/2ls ) that I fixed up for a guy and he said he's really liking them. Again many these with give you some ideas




And for base plateing ( if you don't wanna do jabNE's method which work ! ) Look into an off set rod base plate. Strengthens the bottom ,but the it's off to the side so it's nicer to set Iver the knee and you still get some of the action you would if it was off the side

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I still like my chain attached to the spring clevis. I think that's where It belongs.

Those base frame set ups are some real knee busters If you have to set very many.


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Originally Posted By: Wolfdog91
Originally Posted By: Ditchdiver
And Wolfdog- AWESOME work! For a strictly K-9 trap, those would be killer!
thank you kindly! Now these are more of a 1.65 dbls ( converted from 11/2ls ) that I fixed up for a guy and he said he's really liking them. Again many these with give you some ideas




And for base plateing ( if you don't wanna do jabNE's method which work ! ) Look into an off set rod base plate. Strengthens the bottom ,but the it's off to the side so it's nicer to set Iver the knee and you still get some of the action you would if it was off the side



How do those 1.65's work with curved sides?

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they work better with stronger springs or if I could drill the eyes out some but I straightened them out just enough so the springs would ride. Though their still a lil cockeyed.

Re: #2 dls [Re: The Beav] #6245689
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
I still like my chain attached to the spring clevis. I think that's where It belongs.

Those base frame set ups are some real knee busters If you have to set very many.

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Dang Wolfdog, you're a wealth of information. Thank you for your posts.


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I have made some baseplates with D rings on th side, works well.


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Re: #2 dls [Re: Ditchdiver] #6246007
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Mod’d #2s dbls are an underrated trap. If an animal gets their foot in, on a 24 hr it will be there. Caught everything from weasel to coyote and only issue ever was a cat with there big round foot seems to do a lot of toe catches.

Always ran my B&Ls moddified, some with helpers to power in the snow.

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Surprised Newt hasnt chimed in. They're his favorite trap

I grab all the #2 longs i can, when i can(and have $ to do so). Very versatile.


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Well, I'm cussing out whomever bought the 20 #2 Victor's that Nyrat had for sale on the trapshed! mad grin I wanted those!


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Originally Posted By: Ditchdiver
Well, I'm cussing out whomever bought the 20 #2 Victor's that Nyrat had for sale on the trapshed! mad grin I wanted those!

Wasnt me!

This guy says double spring 1 1/2's:

http://iowatrapperstalk.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/64322/Lots_of_traps_For_Sale_-_Boone#Post64322


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Originally Posted By: Wolfdog91
might help too if you really wanna get fancy


So the base trap is an unmodified Sleepy Creek #2DBLS I got in a trade. So first thing we need to do is clean off the jaws and jaw faces, a flap disk on the ole' angle cleans it up real nice in a few swipes.
Before

After

Now we laminate the trap. Im using pieces of cattle pannel. If you don't use a material heavy enough you can bun through it while welding the seam shut. One problems with the pannel is its pretty heavy so you wanna bend it a lil so it confirms to your jaws .
Clamped before welding

After


Now we need to either remove or clamo the springs down so theirs no pressure in the jaws . if you don't know what your doing the pressure fromthe springs Can warp the jaws while welding due to heat. If you've never done this CLAMP OR REMOVE SPRINGS ! As you see here I have mine clamped with some vice grips so I can work .

Now were going to welded the seam between the jaw and the lamination. This is also a good time to weld your lugs if you want it off set.

Just wanna show how hot your jaws can get and why you wanna be carful.

Now the seam is welded were gonna grind everything down flush. Again a flap disk is best.
Before

After

Make sure not to grind too long in one spot,you'll and up washing out the jaw..
Lil bit of paint aaand


This isn't needed but I know some films love the way this looks so hope this helps !


Holly crap. that looks like a military job quality!

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