I always wondered how many people on this forum don’t belong to the NRA. I know there is no way to tell but from some of the comments on other threads, I know some aren’t members. I remember reading in the past that a gun club took a survey of its members and, although I can’t remember the exact results, it was surprising how many non NRA members belonged to the club. Just think if every hunter and gun owner would join how much clout the NR A would have.

Just think what they did in the 1930s and again in the 1960s, the authors of the model firearms control acts used by most states, and the 1934 federal act weren't they?

I don't particularly campaign against NRA, but looking at their history, I think financially supporting them is like unto keeping foxes in my chicken coop.
Do you think that if every hunter and firearm owner belonged to NRA that it could further contribute to firearms control?

Probably a higher percent then we want to know who is not a member.

To many people caught up on the negative to realize the positives the nra has given us.

If all would join the nra they would be the strongest organization in the world and would not have to give in on anything.

But unfortunately some won't join till others pay to get what they hold out for. Leaving us weaker and losing more ground from what they whine about.

X2. The Lt. Col. said the other day that the NRA now has 6 million members and in his tenure he would like to add another 8. Well that is all good but I don't think if they had 20 million members they would stop coming up with gun control measures and the compromises, it's who they are. What would be awesome would be if the 6 million members continually called, e-mailed and wrote letters to the NRA demanding they take a no compromise position from here on out, or stop whining about why their membership roles are so low.

Seriously? You of all people have the audacity to suggest someone else stop whining? You whine more loudly than anyone on this site!

Well then I'll go and whine on your site and compete with you and the other two guys on there and see who wins lol. Thread is about the NRA...

He has 2 members on his site?

The ones complaining most have nothing real to offer and do nothing about anything but think they will make a change by some miracle or they just like to play reindeer games. The NRA has made the difference for years this gun control BS has been going on for many years and the NRA has been there.

Always "that Guy" that lives for the 1%, unicorn, bigfoot chance of getting a fact right. Make a positive post and they will come to pee on the parade.

Seriously, you don't think that a lot of gun owners don't notice things like the bump stock stand Wayne took early on, and that it doesn't have an impact on membership numbers? Why would a PRO-GUN ORG openly support any gun control?

This otta get good

Yup TWO !!

HAL And His Imaginary Sidekick: Little HAL !!!


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Start here.....

A...It's not a gun
B... the NRA didn't support banning them, that's just the anti's twist on them saying further regulations on them won't be fought.

And...

C...they have bigger fish to fry. You, Finn and Danny cant surely handle bump-stocks on your own can't ya?

Wayne Lapierre kicked a puppy when he was 5 years old! LOL

Bringing a bit of reality of the compromises made in the past is hardly peeing on a parade. Join, don't join-matters little either way-but don't join without knowing the historical past of an organization and what that might mean to future potential compromises of gun rights.

Hippie, A. Never said it was a gun, however any part of a gun that is regulated or banned is gun control to me.

B. I never said he was banning them, I said his stand. Why would he make a stand supporting anything to regulate, support, forms of gun control?

Guess that beats answering questions lol.

at our club we have 100% NRA membership , it is a condition of membership have to show your NRA card to renew.

And pro-cancer?

Appears his plan has worked so far Catch. Gave them something to yack about and take their minds off AR's. And so far, you don't even hear about regulating bump-stocks anymore.

The Carrot trick

I believe your question was answered but maybe you need to hear it twice to catch on maybe 3 or 4 times! LOL


It makes me laugh the no compromise stance like the world agrees with everything they do but then I remember the idea of voting for Pothead Gary to run the country and how low the standard was set there! No compromise must equal no clue and all this talk about a bumpstock ban that has not even come yet.

Visual aid for some of you!

YOU didn't answer the question Law Dog, you avoided it again. My question didn't involve Gary Johnson, aka Jeff Spicoli lol. My question is why would a PRO-GUN ORG openly come out and support any form of gun control? And, do you not think that when they do, it hurts them in gaining membership?

The world has never ran 100% the way I wanted it the bumpstock ban that has not happened has not happened! Fact I don't like everything that Trump, Uncle Ted or the NRA do but they do what they are paid to do and have done a great job for many years. Until you come up with a better more powerful effective system join the team and quit being the town cryer!

So they trade bumpstocks for nation wide carry I can live with that, they make a bumpstock a Class III item so that $250 stock goes to $2,500 the same day the paperwork comes out so the $200 tax stamp is covered.

If you want to you can still buy a full auto if your State allows it, I can walk out the same day with any gun here no problem just need to fill out that pesky 5 minute form, I can order a gun over the internet and have it shipped to my dealer here and that pesky form again so ya we have it better then any Country in the world and that's because of the NRA or do you trust that with politicians to decide on their own? What do you have better?

So, are you a liberal or a commie, I get the two confused.

Personally, I don't give the NRA the credit you do, I think it's undeserving myself. I believe that the citizens are vastly more influential than a club with 6 million members. Our politicians, as sucky as most are, know how most of their constituency feels and will ride the fence accordingly. Think about 300+ million people which lets say a 1/4 or more are gun owners, which equals 75+ million people versus the 6 million NRA members. Giving the NRA credit for where we are today, well sure isn't supported by the math. JMO

Yeah, like you can do math.

X2

Oh, no! Another one!

Imagine where we would be if we didn't have a organization.

If we all were sitting on our rockers doing nothing.

We would have lost way more then what we have.

X3

X 4

If only the NRA bashers where as passionate about doing something, anything effective to help in the fight against gun-grabbers as they are about jumping on every single thread about the NRA and bad-mouthing both the organization and the folks that support it...

I don't mean to high Jak this thread but speaking of 100% membership. How many on this form are not members of their local trapping organization or national org. On the other hand I am not an NRA member, but I agree that this organization is here to protect gun ownership. I have guns and really enjoy them. But I don't think I can count how many organizations that I am a member of. I just get reminded when my new membership renewal comes in the mail.

It's like anything else a few carry the water for others like always, the guy that finds any excuse to not do his part by finding a reason to not pay up. Had a guy that bought every shinny thing he could fine but never joined the union but enjoyed the insurance they provided but would not ay his dues. (Not a big union guy just paid my share!)

Just wish I could claim them as dependents, I might get more then $300 back when others get thousands that don't pay in.

I didn't bad mouth as you say, I spoke my opinion to what I believe, that may help the OP. I see that you LUG, are doing what you do though, which is hollering, bashers, bashers. How's come you don't answer some of the questions and have some good debate?

Oh, so being a member of the GOA means nothing? If your not NRA, your not carrying any water?

Why is all about you? I'm not the one bashing GOA they are just not what your trying to sell as the same as the NRA you came here looking for trouble nobody asked for the NRA put down did we. If the GOA was player they would have their name on the anti poster signs I have not seen that yet.


If you promoting the GOA I can tell you your going about it the wrong way by coming to these post and playing games!

I don't belong to the NRA. It is only because of all the junk mail they waste money on.

I do belong to the Second Amendment Foundation. The SAF is the group doing ALL the heavy lifting. They are the group that brought suit in Heller v. DC and McDonald v Chicago . AND they won both cases before SCOTUS.

I prefer to support SAF rather than NRA

Hey Jerry, remember that guy you arrested who talked your ear off all the way to the jail, making excuses for his failure to do what he was supposed to?

Yep every fact that he had ignored just got him more riled up, he did have the right to remain silent!

I will check into that white, thank you.

Sounds familiar lol.

But you belong to something that's the point. I don't belong to the GOA but I know little about them just the ones running down the NRA while not educating people about other options is a opportunity lost. IMO

Who says a guy can't belong to both or something else even or all of them.

Catch you own a sporting goods store?

Of course ! Join all of them if you can.

Law Dog, do you put saltine crackers in milk and eat it with a spoon?

I know what I'm promoting just can't figure out what you are?

Oh, I thought we started to ask each other random off topic questions lol. The thing is, I'm not trying to promote anything or play games. I am trying to converse about why the NRA only has 6 million members when it should have at least 5 or more times that. I believe that the current members should be upset with them, yes. I also know that some don't join because they're to cheap, some because they're paranoid, and some because they are on hard times. But I also believe that some don't join because they don't want a pro-gun Org promoting gun control. You and others have said you're not happy with some of the things the NRA does, what have you done about it?

Your just asking a lot of questions but not giving many answers but by the end of the day I hope a few guys decide to kick in and support the NRA or the GOA or what ever but if you have nothing better to offer then is comes across like sour grapes. In the end just a road to no place it seems like. IMO 1.5 million GOA VS 6 million NRA I see 7.5 million what do you see.


If you spent that energy trying to tear the NRA down on getting people up to speed on the GOA (many don't know squat about them) we all might be further ahead then. Just saying I cannot figure what your promoting the way your going about it is all!

I quit when NRA president sent out a letter in support of Tim McVey

From my cold dead hands!

Chris

This is your very first post on this thread. You pointing fingers is funny, hello pot, I'm kettle. Your a shining example of the NRA lol. I apologize to the OP, this got derailed a bit but I listed my reasons why I think that most gun owners don't support the NRA. I did join the GOA and will look into the SAF. I love the 2nd, just can't get behind the NRA. Hopefully the Lt. Col. will bring them around.

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I am a member of the NRA. I own stock in that company .

Questions have been asked and answered time and time again and you proved my point and like I said it's not all about you but you think it is.

"...nobody asked for the NRA put down did we?"

Take another look at the thread title. It sure looks to me like the OP was inviting anti-NRA folks to come in and comment.

Now, I'm not picking on you, just debating a point you made.

Jim

I bet the NRA would endorse a convicted child molester, if he claimed to be for the Second Amendment.

And the NRA will only endorse Republicans these days, no matter how pro-gun the opponent is.

I am not supporting a wing of the Republican Party.

Jim

Examples?

Is there any such thing as a pro-gun Democrat ?

Right after McVey was arrested Wayne sent out a letter saying the gov had arrested an innocent man, I decided right there that was it for me

Why don't you show me a Democrat the NRA has endorsed in the last two elections, and I'll retract or modify that comment.

Jim

Ken, you may not have liked him for other reasons, but Mark Begich always voted pro-gun when he was in the Senate.

Jim

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/06/AR2010100603363.html

Just becvause there are few Democrats that have our back when it comes to guns, the ones who do the NRA will back.

Mark was a member of Bloomberg's mayors against guns.

I wouldn't join any organization that would have a member like me.

We have one running for Governor, Richard Cordray.

I said the last two election cycles.

But already my position seems more precarious.

Jim

I'd say your safe with that limitation because the Dems. have been pretty far left the last few years.

Don't get sucked in by this guy. He is a full throated left wing commie. Obama's appointee to run the CFPB Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

Exactly. He had the "A" rating from the NRA back in 2010 but now has come out some on the scary black guns and more stringent back round checks.

Btw, I'm still a member. At least I'm still getting "American Rifleman."

A magazine that ain't what it used to be. Now it's full of ads and political columns.

Jim

They all seem to be going down hill Jim

I'd like to see a comprehensive list of all the good NRA has actually done. Not just position blarney, but actions like the stuff that SAF brought to SCOTUS. A list with verifying links would be outstanding.
For example; are they working to undo GCA 1968? or NFA '34? In what states do they keep a lobbyist when the legislature is in session? Does the lobby budget equal the budget for unsolicited mail?

I’m a member of the NRA, but don’t always agree with there political tactics. We are facing people that don’t care if it takes 100 more years to accomplish their goal. That’s one thing liberals are good at, they’re very patient. Last weeks shooting is a perfect example. Where are the protesters? Where are the kids being interviewed 24/7? Where are the liberal politicians spewing there lies??? Nowhere to be found!! It’s doesn’t fit there play book for demonizing guns. What is different about this latest school shooting? No AR or assault rifle (as they call it) used, so no OUTRAGE! Doesn’t fit there protocol for moral outrage. A shotgun and a revolver aren’t scary enough. If you don’t like the NRA then join another gun organization, any organization, do something!

PS. and keep those kids parents in your prayers. I can’t imagine the heartache they’re going through.

I just recently joined the NRA but not so much for political reasons. I'm not real impressed with the NRA as a gun-rights organization. But they do some very good work promoting firearms safety and promoting the shooting sports.

Like the N.R.A. or hate them, but without them we wouldn't have ANT gun right left today. And that is a fact. I am proud to be a life member.

I'm a nra member. My father and grandfather were life members. My grandfather told me that handguns almost made it into the 1934 gun control act, it came close. He blamed roosevelt for the act, not nra, he was there.

The bottom line is to stick together. There are other organizations, two come to mind. GunOwners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Rights.

I will only say this. You can be an NRA member and do nothing and you aren't much better than a non-member. Personally, I coach our local high school trap team, volunteer as a gun safety instructor, and am president of the local rod and gun club. I also call my legislators(both state and federal). I think this is more important than being a do nothing NRA member.

Collin Peterson from MN is NRA endorsed if I remember right.

Mn4life there are a LOT of do nothing members.

I was barking the same about PTA members and was reminded I should not alienate them as even the silent members count when legislation happens. I miss the old wise man that reminded me that way. Grandpa knew him.

Speaking of trapping orgs. When youns are done charming potential NRA members, can you light a fire under some of these trappers? lol

I have a lot of room to talk, I think mine needs renewed.

I’m a member of the PTA, although I don’t make it up to the gatherings like I should, I still make sure I make my voice heard to support trapping in PA.

I’m also a member of Maryland and New Jersey. I may never trap there but I like to give them my money and they alert me when I need to contact the legislators when trapping regulations are brought up.

I encourage everyone to join the GOA and Second Amendment Foundation! Heck, do what you want, it’s your money!

By the way mark me down as an active member of the NRA. My range requires membership and I volunteer to help with new shooter education classes. I’m also a member of the Delaware State Sportsman’s Association, who is active in fighting against gun legislation.

Although I will not pay $50 for an NRA dinner to sit and rub elbows with politicians and brown nosers.

A+ rated, for what that is worth. Florida governor and most legislators who stole gun privileges from 18-21 year Olds were A+ rated, too.

Gun privileges?

Jim

I think he meant Rights...

Lol good catch

The NRA isn't nearly pro-gun enough for me. Instead of hammering against illegal laws already on the books they are far too willing to compromise on more unconstitutional law. GOA is superior.

I don't want to completely hate on them though, because they do some good things once in awhile. Dana Loesch can be very effective at articulating a pro-2nd stance from what I've seen.

It seems a lot of the NRA crowd overlaps with a lot of the Trump crowd, too. I can't support a president who thought raising the gun buying age from 18 to 21 is a good idea. Also, don't even get me started on the "Take the guns first, due process later" garbage...

The government will take whatever the citizenry allows them to. Unfortunately, ignorance and apathy are far too prevalent among the masses to slow the growth of the bureaucratic leviathan.

April donations to the NRA’s Political Victory Fund were over 2.5 times higher than donations to the three biggest gun control PACs combined.


For example, the Washington Beacon reports that “the Giffords PAC raised $653,510.53 in April, Everytown for Gun Safety PAC raised $16,552.33, and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence Voter Education Fund raised $4,015.00.” That makes a combined total of $674,077.86 for the gun control PACs, which is $1,178,245.42 less than the NRA’s PAC received.
This surge in NRA giving began in late February, as celebrities, school gun control activists, and the establishment media blamed the NRA for the Parkland school shooting. Breitbart News reported that donations to the NRA PAC tripled during the last two weeks of February. Then, in March, donations to the NRA PAC broke a 15-year record.

That is impressive. I have to believe though, they would be getting that 10 fold if they didn't openly support gun control.

Awesome post!

Agree

They obviously are privileges, if a group of scoundrel Republican, NRA endorsed suit-dummies can take them away.

Zing lol.....

At least with privately owned cars, the govt tries to convince people you don't have a right to drive them on roads you are forced at gunpoint to help pay for.

With guns they still tell people being armed is a right while telling you to ask permission.

Yeah, good thing we have those Libertarians and liberal Democrats protecting our rights or we really be screwed!

Yeah LUG, cause the Republicans are doing such a great job lol. They've done so much in the past 8 years to correct the wrongs like the NRA lol.

Uhm LUG, where did you go?

You completely missed the point.

Which was?

Late to this party been out of town . But what club is it ? Communist United? Or Liberals strong? Mandating "what someone must do" or you can't play with us !!!

Hey I got a good question !!!! If a person votes for a pro gun crooked politician (they all are or will be crooked before they quit) doesn't that mean that you are supporting gun rights? Why is it that narrow mindedness goes only one way according to some on here? You guys bellow "If you don't support NRA you are not helping keep our guns" . As you can see there ARE other ways to support gun rights !!!!!!

Point that rocking chair people have the time to sit and whine about others while they do absolutely nothing.

that's funny right there don't care who you are.

Groucho Marx, the gift that keeps on giving.

Racerboy, You do a lot of whining and offer nothing. You cast shade but that's it. Just a whiner. So please tell us how your being positive to the OP's question.

...but wait...there's more! The gun control advocacy group who endorsed the gaggle of Florida republican's now needs your cash in order to dash into the courtroom and sue in order to regain the gun privilege's of 18-21 year old Floridians. Perhaps they can compromise to make 18-21 ask pretty please twice and pay a reasonably higher fee for a permit.

*perhaps even make nra membership compulsory to owning a gun? Lots of interesting things can happen in the three-way ping-pong match between courts, gun control advocacy groups and lawmakers.

I think they could make joining up for an NRA membership easier and more straight forward. Make you feel more like a club member and less like you are just applying for more junk mail. Perhaps that would help membership? Like James said earlier. I think I'm still a member... I get a magazine in the mail once in awhile.

Not whining a bit catch just stating what Finn does all the time. Sits in his rocker and complains about the rest of us at least doing something.

All these types threads ends the same as he and you always turn them into a anti gun campaign.

He does nothing and every time he is asked for a better solution it gets off his rocker and hides under it.

You at least is a member of a gun organization. And so am I.

Tman should have 'send money fast' PayPal direct to NRA so that youse guys can feel better about yourselves after you read my comments. Be like Pavlov's Dogs- see My posts, send MO money.

You’re not that important.

I must be, your sidekick hippie brought up my name on the thread before I commented.

Your bet would be safe, James. After all, they endorsed Trump,
an admitted serial sexual predator and adulterer.
Jarhead