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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6252972
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The thing about carcass dumps Is that next year while there may not be a once of meat left there If there are coyotes in the area they will still investigate that bone pile.

We pick up road killed deer and place them In certain locations and gang set those fresh locations. If the bones haven't been dragged off we will re set that location. Maybe not as heavy but there will be a trap or 2 In the area.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Bob Jameson] #6252982
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Originally Posted By: Bob Jameson
Seth with your skunk and coon population I can see you could load up on them but that isn't such a bad thing. Skunks are a good money maker and I always like catching them. In fact they are over all more profitable then many of the coyotes out there. Adding up the skin, essence, pods and the fat value they are well worth catching.

Carcass beef, sheep and dump stations will bring good rewards if it has some history to it especially in your country.
I hear you about the skunks Bob. I saved an ounce or two of essence and some pods this year to play with myself and actually skinned a couple. Took pelts and carcasses to Mick( which is a great reason to go pick his brain about trapping). I actually enjoy trapping them now that I'm use to handling them. May even Target a few this year.

Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6252983
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Problem I see with feedlot and dairy dead piles is mange. Coyotes get concentrated yes but they still constantly squabble with one another. Lots of physical contact. Soon as a mangy coyote finds the bonanza it isn't long before your tossing half or more that you catch.

Beav, I've caught a lot of coyotes in "featureless" prairie setting on scattered bleached white bones from a cow or horse. Taking the tbones doesn't seem to hurt the location and a tbone set is likely to hit. I think after while they just become a standout feature for urine marking. You know a lot of those bones been there long enough there is no way any living coyote ate any meat off them.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: The Beav] #6253216
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
It's my opinion that any pre baiting Is a waste of bait and time and money.


Mr. Beav, I beg to differ. In the lands of "SNOW" I have found that pre-baiting works very well for fisher & marten. Side note: only pre-bait after the bears & 'coons go in. In Maine the limits are 10/25. Would you sooner tag out in 10 days or two months?

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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: danny clifton] #6253307
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
Problem I see with feedlot and dairy dead piles is mange. Coyotes get concentrated yes but they still constantly squabble with one another. Lots of physical contact. Soon as a mangy coyote finds the bonanza it isn't long before your tossing half or more that you catch.

Beav, I've caught a lot of coyotes in "featureless" prairie setting on scattered bleached white bones from a cow or horse. Taking the tbones doesn't seem to hurt the location and a tbone set is likely to hit. I think after while they just become a standout feature for urine marking. You know a lot of those bones been there long enough there is no way any living coyote ate any meat off them.



spot on.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: ebsurveyor] #6253310
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Originally Posted By: ebsurveyor
Originally Posted By: The Beav
It's my opinion that any pre baiting Is a waste of bait and time and money.


Mr. Beav, I beg to differ. In the lands of "SNOW" I have found that pre-baiting works very well for fisher & marten. Side note: only pre-bait after the bears & 'coons go in. In Maine the limits are 10/25. Would you sooner tag out in 10 days or two months?


Pre baiting or just baiting?
Are you baiting during the season? Or baiting during the month of August? WE don't really call It pre baiting but we have deer carcasses placed out In 20 or so locations during the season but before we place our sets.
I have also come to a conclusion that placing large baits out In wide open spaces out preforms those large baits I drag back In to the heavy brush. Sometimes those baits don't even get hit during the season. But the ones placed out In the open are hit with In days.
Sometimes I feel some coyotes are just to paranoid to feed In the heavy brush.
Had a carcass that we hauled up On a small hill. Good heavy grass great spots to hang some snares. That carcass laid there for weeks. Actually until the season had closed. You know what those dogs did? They dragged that whole deer down to the open pasture and ate the whole thing In 3 days.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: The Beav] #6253328
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I bait after the season opens. I trap after the fur finds the bait. Fisher & marten only.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253334
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I think coyotes are caught lots easier out in the wide open no matter how much sign or how fast that road killed deer got ate back in the brush. I've caught coyotes back in heavy brush in fenced down crowded up and flagged bobcat sets. Have caught bobcats in flat sets on the wide open edge of wheat fields. I don't try to catch them there or with those sets like that though. Nothing is a hundred percent. Trying to draw animals where they aint going to be otherwise should be a last ditch effort, being done that way cause you just cant trap where they already are.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253364
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I think we've drifted away from Charles Dobbins concept behind liquid pre-baiting... And into large bait pile discussion, I believe his theory of a good smell associated will a free meal will work for me, it's not about feeding large dinners and numbers of coyotes but for an alpha to bring the safe dinner smell back to the den and when the others later in the season smell that scent they'll work your sets...


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253410
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by the time fur season starts those coyote pups have wandered away from their den and dad will whoop their buts and chase em off if they don't skeedadle.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253481
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Use the blood and left over bait solution from making baits....works like a charm.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253602
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I believe Charlie had some success tapping into the left over restaurant greases and oils from the grill for pre-baiting. Punch in a deep hole and poured the grease down. I use a lot of left over greaes from my wife's cooking bacon, pork, fish frying grease, etc. Any bones left over from these meats can be used in bodygripper boxes too.
Maybe Paul could comment here.

Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253708
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I'm just saying that pre baiting during august or July Is going to be a waste of time when It comes to Oct and Nov. Critters grow up their feeding habits change. Mama hauls them off to the ridges where they dine on mast. Or when the corn gets ripe It's off to the corn field. Talking about coon
Now I can see pre baiting at seasonal locations during or just prior to the opening by a few days. But to run around In the summer months putting out bait or lure I just don't see It.
Now If you want to test a lure or bait fine but feeding a bunch of non targets all summer long Isn't going to get It done for me.
And Danny makes a good point when It comes to coyotes same with fox.


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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253754
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You fellas need to heed what the Beav is saying, he is spot on with his assessment in my experience as well.

Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253961
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Some guys don't know what they don't know. I do not recommend baiting before the season, but I did bait this site for almost three months and I caught a bear , fisher & a marten here in about 10 trap nights. Bear was caught five days after the fisher photo.





Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6253966
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BTW. my above post was baited for bear hunting/trapping. I didn't get the big one in a trap but did get him with the dogs. No small traps while the 'coons are out.




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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6254036
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Great pictures.


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Originally Posted By: The Beav
Great pictures.



Thanks Beav

Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: ebsurveyor] #6254231
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Love those bear and fisher pictures.
Thank you for sharing.
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Re: Pre-baiting liquid bait [Re: Redeyesheds] #6255079
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I drill small holes and fill em up at choice locations starting 10/1 to check populations and to put them in the mood. I never set the holes. By the time 11/1 roles around I have a heated up location that gets visited often. I use bacon grease, used cooking oil etc. etc. I believe it puts them in the mood to work sets.
Yes I got it from Charlie's book too.. Does it add numbers to my catch? Maybe, but it sure seems to make em more cooperative. IMO it works better for red fox but it does well for coyotes too..
Cool pics!

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