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#6250232 - 05/29/18 11:10 PM South Dakota proposed trapping regulations
Larry Bowden Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 64
Loc: Hot Springs SD
Very important need to voice your opinion to SD GF&P asap.
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#6250370 - 05/30/18 08:20 AM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Staner Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 327
Loc: Kentucky
Larry, I thought the proposal for West River extended the use of snares to year round...has that changed?
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#6250408 - 05/30/18 10:33 AM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
KeithC Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 3011
Loc: Champaign County, Ohio.
Without trappers removing furbearers, the bird population, that the bird hunter wants to hunt, will decrease due to furbearers eating eggs, chicks and adult gamebirds.

Keith

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#6250411 - 05/30/18 10:41 AM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: KeithC]
bblwi Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/22/06
Posts: 4440
Loc: East-Central Wisconsin
It is unfortunate but the reality is the pheasant hunting brings in a lot of out of state revenues for your state and the loss or injury of well trained dogs by out of state hunters is a bigger deal than if they shoot 2 or 4 roosters for most of them Also we must remember that trappers mostly trap when fur prices justify trapping so to say that we control those egg eaters Coons and the grinners and skunks that go with those catches is a real stretch on our part. $7 corn and dry genetics corn with cold tolerance has cost more pheasant loss than all the predators have so we need to find betters ways to be involved in those discussions because the fur harvest reports tell a totally different story than the one(s) we like to tell.

Bryce

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#6250421 - 05/30/18 10:55 AM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: KeithC]
coydog2 Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 1822
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: KeithC
Without trappers removing furbearers, the bird population, that the bird hunter wants to hunt, will decrease due to furbearers eating eggs, chicks and adult gamebirds.

Keith
I trap on land here in Iowa that is what the land owner wants me to just do take out the animals that dose all of this to bring back the game birds.it is working too for all I been trapping.n matter what the price of fur is.Too bad for SD for how things are going. but the bird hunters will wish they have the trappers when the game birds start to go down and the out of state hunters start to not show because of lack of game birds.
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#6250441 - 05/30/18 11:38 AM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Law Dog Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 14206
Loc: Central, SD
Since the bird numbers are so low are they going to shorten the season on them also?
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#6250447 - 05/30/18 11:44 AM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
drasselt Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 1059
Loc: Alaska
Dogs and traps is a bad mix. Here we promote general signage. Not sure that is much help in this situation.

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#6250471 - 05/30/18 12:23 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
~ADC~ Offline
The Count

Registered: 06/15/10
Posts: 5726
Loc: Iowa
Looks like a slippery slope you're headed down. I see "Cable Restraints" at best in your future if you give in. I wouldn't be happy with the guys who are supposed to be on your side agreeing with #3 either if it were my state.
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#6250479 - 05/30/18 12:37 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Law Dog Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 14206
Loc: Central, SD
We need to deal with the facts a little tutorial in the handbook on 220s and snares might do more then a pile of new rules that won't matter in the end.

Had a warden once tell me he carried a pair of pliers/cutters while hunting to get his dog out of snares! I just laughed and said, "why you don't need them?" and I showed him how to release a lock by just changing the angle. The sad thing was he was not interested in the truth as the problem he created suited him better then the reality.

I was making snares for M&M at that time (70s) and he wanted me to get a permit for every package I made without deer locks that were required at the time just to be a jerk. Guess who got promoted to supervisor a few years after that! LOL
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#6250497 - 05/30/18 01:06 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Larry Bowden Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 64
Loc: Hot Springs SD
The commission has changed the proposal multiple times. This proposal came from the commission and was not recommended by the GF&P staff to the commission.
SD GF&P has records for the last 15 years showing no loss of any hunting dogs to snares. They have no records previous to that time.
I submitted this post to generate public input to preserve our trapping and snaring in SD.
We need all SD residents to voice their opinion by mail, on the GF&P website, or in person at the June 7th commission meeting in Aberdeen .
The commission really pays attention to residents who take the time to voice their opinion. The Western SD Fur Harvesters Association and SDTA officers have work hand in hand on this issue. It has taken a tremendous amount of time and money. We have gotten a lot of support from our friends in the livestock industry. The SD Stock Growers Association and SD sheep Growers sent wonderful letters supporting trapping and opposing this proposal to the commission. I encourage you to join at least one or our trapping organizations, many of us belong to both the WSDFHA and SDTA.
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#6250509 - 05/30/18 01:33 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Law Dog]
Kre Offline
trapper

Registered: 11/23/10
Posts: 640
Loc: USA-WI
Originally Posted By: Law Dog
We need to deal with the facts a little tutorial in the handbook on 220s and snares might do more then a pile of new rules that won't matter in the end.

Had a warden once tell me he carried a pair of pliers/cutters while hunting to get his dog out of snares! I just laughed and said, "why you don't need them?" and I showed him how to release a lock by just changing the angle. The sad thing was he was not interested in the truth as the problem he created suited him better then the reality.

I was making snares for M&M at that time (70s) and he wanted me to get a permit for every package I made without deer locks that were required at the time just to be a jerk. Guess who got promoted to supervisor a few years after that! LOL


I get some pheasant information from a trapper in SD and last year he recommended I carry a cable cutters. Just sayin'....

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#6250512 - 05/30/18 01:41 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Kre]
Law Dog Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 14206
Loc: Central, SD
Originally Posted By: Kre
Originally Posted By: Law Dog
We need to deal with the facts a little tutorial in the handbook on 220s and snares might do more then a pile of new rules that won't matter in the end.

Had a warden once tell me he carried a pair of pliers/cutters while hunting to get his dog out of snares! I just laughed and said, "why you don't need them?" and I showed him how to release a lock by just changing the angle. The sad thing was he was not interested in the truth as the problem he created suited him better then the reality.

I was making snares for M&M at that time (70s) and he wanted me to get a permit for every package I made without deer locks that were required at the time just to be a jerk. Guess who got promoted to supervisor a few years after that! LOL


I get some pheasant information from a trapper in SD and last year he recommended I carry a cable cutters. Just sayin'....


For what is my question?
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#6250522 - 05/30/18 02:11 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Boco Offline
trapper

Registered: 08/08/11
Posts: 16516
Loc: james bay frontierOnt.
When a snare with a kill spring and aggressive cam lock is cinched down tight on an animal,cable cutters is the only way of getting it off.

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#6250529 - 05/30/18 02:19 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Larry Bowden Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/14/12
Posts: 64
Loc: Hot Springs SD
Multiple times during meetings we suggested changes to be added to the hunting/trapping handbook and the public lands guide informing hunters how snares work and may be present. We suggested posting signs at parking areas at Game production areas (GPA) and Wildlife production areas (WPA)stating that traps and snares may be present during posted dates. Both associations offered to help install the signs at parking lots. We suggested that a video link be added to the GF&P website showing how snares operate and how to remove them from a dog. Both trapping organizations volunteered to do presentations at youth hunter classes on snares and traps. GF&P staffers and a state trapper displayed different types of snare cable and cable cutters. We also discussed adding a recommendation to the handbook and land atlas that hunters may want to carry cable cutters in their coat or vest.

As you see these are allcommon sense solutions and were very well received by GF&P staffers that were present.
However these solutions did not seem acceptable to the one commissioner who attended our January 2018 meeting. Thus it has evolved into what we have today.

For about twenty years I have been either a director or officer with WSDFHA. I have attended countless meetings with SD GF&P personnel and we have worked thru a variety of issues. We need to work thru this one, put it behind us and focus on our passion "Trapping".
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#6250531 - 05/30/18 02:22 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Law Dog Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 14206
Loc: Central, SD
I could see the power snare being a problem!

Never used those springs I know a few guys that do so I have no experience with them!
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#6250584 - 05/30/18 04:35 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Boco]
Tactical.20 Online   content
trapper

Registered: 12/24/06
Posts: 12889
Loc: N.W. Iowa
Originally Posted By: Boco
When a snare with a kill spring and aggressive cam lock is cinched down tight on an animal,cable cutters is the only way of getting it off.

That's not true I've opened hundreds of cam lock on coyote necks with just my for finger and thumb
If hunters knew what to do if their dog gets caught would be better results than restrictions

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#6250616 - 05/30/18 05:27 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Law Dog Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 14206
Loc: Central, SD
After a yote/coon/badger catch and they struggle a lock can be a problem with kinks and fraying yes but a leash trained, fresh caught dog should be a cake walk! I have snared my on dogs over the years never had any issues!

Now power snares and kill locks I have little experience with, the power snares (big coni type of spring I would have reservations with on public lands.) The ones I tried for badgers (under ground) were not worth it to me to use them when a regular snare would do the same job.
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#6250795 - 05/30/18 09:07 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
Scott A Offline
trapper

Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 48
Loc: Duluth, Minnesota
Don't agree to number 3! That'll be the first step in full ban on snares...they'll chip away until they get the full ban...

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#6250847 - 05/30/18 10:02 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: Larry Bowden]
ky_coyote_hunter Offline
trapper

Registered: 02/02/16
Posts: 525
Loc: Kentucky
I tell hunters all the time...If you want to protect hunting, join your state and national trapping organizations.

The smart ones see it, and they know that trapping is the "canary in the well" so to speak...We have to get on the same page.

If trapping goes, it all goes in time, we are at the forefront of all this, and it's a united we stand, divided we fall situation.
...Preaching to the crowd here, but hope SD doesn't impose any restrictions.
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#6250894 - 05/30/18 11:00 PM Re: South Dakota proposed trapping regulations [Re: ky_coyote_hunter]
4 Fur Offline
trapper

Registered: 12/25/09
Posts: 90
Loc: West Central Iowa
Several years ago SD changed the season on non-resident trapping to Dec. 1 to March 15 which effectively eliminated guys from non-restricted reciprocal agreement states like Iowa from trapping rats in SD. Just curious, did you SD guys on here oppose that rule change?

Good luck with fighting this unwise furbearer management restriction. BTW you can still come down here to Iowa and trap non-res with identical laws the locals enjoy including public ground snaring. smile
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