Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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Epson salts and miracle grow knock off. I’ve heard about Epsom salts a lot. Never have used them. How do you use them?
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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All soil East of Mississippi River is acidic, you've made yours more acidic. Apply quick lime, not ground limestone but the stuff that works right away. Thank me this fall.
From what you wrote, if mine, I'd add no fertilizer.
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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Over here, we can have our soil tested free or cheep.
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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I’ve heard about Epsom salts a lot. Never have used them. How do you use them? A little in the hole, a little in water sometimes, a little sprayed on the leaves sometimes; like many things there are different applications for different purposes. I use dish soap spray some too. People have written books that explain these things better than I can. I would guess the bottom of that pile should be near perfect, and I would never add chicken liter at this season. Heavy manures should be applied in fall and "seasoned" before planting, I think. Snow is good fertilizer too. Horse manure can be added about any time.
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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All soil East of Mississippi River is acidic, you've made yours more acidic. Apply quick lime, not ground limestone but the stuff that works right away. Thank me this fall.
From what you wrote, if mine, I'd add no fertilizer. Just wondering do you think the soil would be acidic even though technically I didn’t use any real soil? It’s all rotted down mulch. They are growing very well at the moment. Started from seeds they are close to 2’ tall. I know that the soil around here is definitely acidic due to the soil tests I’ve had done before planting my food plots. Since it’s not actually soil do you think it’s still acidic? I guess I can just get a soil test done and find out lol. Thanks for your thoughts. Just nice to know what everyone else does.
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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All soil East of Mississippi River is acidic, you've made yours more acidic. Apply quick lime, not ground limestone but the stuff that works right away. Thank me this fall.
From what you wrote, if mine, I'd add no fertilizer. Soil near the Niagra Escarpment is heavy in limestone and has a higher pH
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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Small handful of ebsom salt and a small handful of bone meal in each hole when planting. My brother has used it for many years.
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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Mulch has a lot of organic matter (nitrogen) but it needs to be broken down by soil bacteria to be used by the plant, short term and thus actually consumes N for the short term. The more fiber in the mulch the longer this process takes. Mulch is great however and in the future why not mix the fresh chicken manure with mulch and let that compost and work that in the garden soil. Chicken manure on the other hand is very high in N (lots of ammonia) and thus why when fresh it will burn the plant leaves. Work that stuff in the ground and it will provide excellent N fertilizer for your crop. Many times it is good to use some commercial or granular type fertilizer in the colder or earlier days of your garden. Why? Commercial fertilizer (N) is broken down to plant usable form and just needs the moisture to provide the N. Organic N needs to be broken down by soil bacteria etc. and many of those are growing degree day or temperature sensitive and thus won't kick in until soil temps reach the needed temperatures. That is why organic N works so well in mid to late summer and into the fall.
Also not all soil east of the Mississippi is acidic. Where I live we have the Niagara Escarpment made up of dolomite as our bed rock running from just north of Madison all the way to the Falls. Here our pHs run 7 to 7.4 with a few higher. Bryce
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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Organic matter is not nitrogen. I think what bblwi means to say is mulch may contain a lot of carbonaceous materials. Most of the time it will contain <1% nitrogen. Cow manure will test out around 1% or less, but fresh chicken manure with sawdust litter will usually go from 4 to 7% N.
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Re: Fertilizer for tomato plants
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On my garden I use compost from the town's compost site, where I work. We compost leaves and grass ... wood chips and saw dust with the sludge from the wastewater treatment plant. Works great. I spade or till up my garden each fall and then cover it with about 4" or 6" of compost. The compost looks about like fluffy potting soil you buy at the local nursery store. Then roto till once to mix. In the spring it's like planting into sand. That's all I do and it seems to work great. But my soil on the creek bottom is pretty good anyway. My mom has a garden that is pretty much mostly clay gumbo.... but after a few years of putting compost on here's fairly thick it is starting to mello out into nice soil.
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